Final Fantasy XV at E3 - Yes or No? Time to stake your pride!

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Will Final Fantasy XV be at E3?

  • Yes, with a live demo (public or press-only)

    Votes: 10 13.7%
  • Yes, with a trailer containing at least some new footage

    Votes: 51 69.9%
  • No, but it will be mentioned or old trailers will be shown

    Votes: 9 12.3%
  • No. It'll be swept under the rug for this year's show.

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Total voters
    73
  • Poll closed .

Kagari

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#21
Financial statements only give sales statistics, not when games are going to come out.

Also, even if it comes out between April and May 2015, They would still need to show it at E3 2014/TGS 2014.

Also, just like any other rumor/hint etc: Always take them with a grain of salt as "anything" can and will be subject to change.
That is absolutely incorrect. If FF15 was coming this fiscal year then it would be indicated in their financials in the form of forecasts.
 
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#22
Square Enix did not show Final Fantasy Versus XIII at E3 2010 but we got an update shortly after the event was over. This update gave us a first look at the gas station and desert wasteland area. That’s when we also learned, I think, about the character designs and scenario being complete too.

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if they did that again? Skip E3, the biggest gaming convention of the year, but instead give us a small update a couple of weeks after the event only to tell us to wait for more info soon?

I'm betting this for a thousand trophy points!
 

Starlord

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#23
That is absolutely incorrect. If FF15 was coming this fiscal year then it would be indicated in their financials in the form of forecasts.
And why would they add that in their report when they haven't even gave us the release date at a big event "like E3/TGS?" it wouldn't make any sense. Did they do that with FFXIII when the Fiscal year of 2010 report came out? ( FFXIII came out March 9th 2010, so it would be in that report with that logic.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/11q4earnings.pdf

I am skimming through this report so far found nothing ( going to review this a bit more).
 

APZonerunner

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#24
And why would they add that in their report when they haven't even gave us the release date at a big event "like E3/TGS?" it wouldn't make any sense. Did they do that with FFXIII when the Fiscal year of 2010 report came out? ( FFXIII came out March 9th 2010, so it would be in that report with that logic.
We're risking veering off the base E3 discussion here by pushing towards release date stuff, but they indicated FF13 was targeted at launch within the 09/10 fiscal year in the 08/09 report that was released in March 2009, yes. The actual Western release date was announced eight months later. They also forecast shipping 26 million boxed units of games that year, which is key - most of those were projected to be FF13. Most of them were. 14/15 has less than half of that projected.

Anyway, yes - they're actually legally obligated to do these things. To not would be to actually break several stock market regulation rules, as such things could seriously effect stock prices. Given that company heads, such as Rogers, Matsuda and Wada all own shares, it'd be tantamount to insider trading, since they'd be holding on to stock thanks to knowledge other shareholders don't have. For instance, when Square's stock dropped in response to low estimates for FY 14/15, that was based off knowledge shared in the report, including a lack of information about FF15 and sales projections that indicate the game won't come before March 2015. If FF15 was actually coming, the fluctuating stock price would benefit those inside the company with shares - which includes many of the top flight staff - and that'd be illegal. If they know something is going to happen or come that could have a major effect, they have to share it. Sometimes they share it in a vague way - they might not say FF15, but they'd project a lot of units being sold that year. Nothing about this year's projection indicates any of SE's top-flight titles hitting shelves before March 2015 - not FF15, not a new Tomb Raider, etc.

They can of course keep longer-term secrets, because financial forecasts released to shareholders only look towards whatever the end of the next fiscal is. In theory, for instance, they can keep anything under development targeted at April 2015-March 2016 under wraps for a good while now, but on March 31st, 2015, they at least have to acknowledge that there's a mystery game they expect to sell (x) million copies of - even if they don't name the game until an E3 or PAX or TGS or whatever.

Insider trading carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. So if they are hiding it for the element of surprise, well... er... I hope surprising the fans is worth it!

I don't think the fact that it'll never launch this fiscal has any real effect on the question of if it'll be at E3, mind...
 
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Redichi24

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#25
If they don't come out and say it won't be at E3, then it will be there. Or they can say that it will be there, but we won't be seeing anything new. They have no reason to hide it from there E3 Lineup announcement anymore.
 

Starlord

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#26
We're risking veering off the base E3 discussion here by pushing towards release date stuff, but they indicated FF13 was targeted at launch within the 09/10 fiscal year in the 08/09 report that was released in March 2009, yes. The actual Western release date was announced eight months later. They also forecast shipping 26 million boxed units of games that year, which is key - most of those were projected to be FF13. Most of them were. 14/15 has less than half of that projected.

Anyway, yes - they're actually legally obligated to do these things. To not would be to actually break several stock market regulation rules, as such things could seriously effect stock prices. Given that company heads, such as Rogers, Matsuda and Wada all own shares, it'd be tantamount to insider trading, since they'd be holding on to stock thanks to knowledge other shareholders don't have. For instance, when Square's stock dropped in response to low estimates for FY 14/15, that was based off knowledge shared in the report, including a lack of information about FF15 and sales projections that indicate the game won't come before March 2015. If FF15 was actually coming, the fluctuating stock price would benefit those inside the company with shares - which includes many of the top flight staff - and that'd be illegal. If they know something is going to happen or come that could have a major effect, they have to share it. Sometimes they share it in a vague way - they might not say FF15, but they'd project a lot of units being sold that year. Nothing about this year's projection indicates any of SE's top-flight titles hitting shelves before March 2015 - not FF15, not a new Tomb Raider, etc.

Insider trading carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. So if they are hiding it for the element of surprise, well... I hope they've got good lawyers!
I particularly didn't want to discuss this in the first place :p, Kagari peered into that territory so I had a little discussion. It's all speculations to me personally.
 

APZonerunner

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#27
I particularly didn't want to discuss this in the first place :p, Kagari peered into that territory so I had a little discussion. It's all speculations to me personally.
Well, that stuff's absolute, I feel.... though feel free to mock me if I'm wrong. But the fiscal report makes it absolutely clear 15 won't be out anywhere before March 2015, IMO. The projections are just too low. There won't be a surprise Tomb Raider 2 or whatever either for the very same reason.

They can of course keep longer-term secrets, because financial forecasts released to shareholders only look towards whatever the end of the next fiscal is. In theory, for instance, they can keep anything under development targeted at April 2015-March 2016 under wraps for a good while now, but on March 31st, 2015, they at least have to acknowledge that there's a mystery game they expect to sell (x) million copies of - even if they don't name the game until an E3 or PAX or TGS or whatever.
 

Redichi24

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#28
Who knows if they even began the English VA. It takes a few months to record that and another few months to publish the game. The game isn't finished (obviously), and we don't know how far the game is in development. It might release late 2015 in the west, but I think it most likely release early 2016. A 2015 release is possible for Japan. Not early 2015 though.
 

Starlord

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#29
Well, that stuff's absolute, I feel.... though feel free to mock me if I'm wrong. But the fiscal report makes it absolutely clear 15 won't be out anywhere before March 2015, IMO. The projections are just too low. There won't be a surprise Tomb Raider 2 or whatever either for the very same reason.

They can of course keep longer-term secrets, because financial forecasts released to shareholders only look towards whatever the end of the next fiscal is. In theory, for instance, they can keep anything under development targeted at April 2015-March 2016 under wraps for a good while now, but on March 31st, 2015, they at least have to acknowledge that there's a mystery game they expect to sell (x) million copies of - even if they don't name the game until an E3 or PAX or TGS or whatever.
Lol, I don't mock people. I just don't like using Fiscal reports, as factual evidence that a any game will come out due to it. That's how I personally feel. Even without the Fiscal report I still have a big feeling FFXV will come out in 2015 " at some point worldwide. So the Fiscal report argument is kinda moot.

Fiscal reports do not in anyway shape or form "forecast" a E3/TGS showing.
 

yeah_93

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#30
If they don't come out and say it won't be at E3, then it will be there. Or they can say that it will be there, but we won't be seeing anything new. They have no reason to hide it from there E3 Lineup announcement anymore.
Who knows if they are planning a re-re-reveal? :p
 
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#31
Chose option 2, I feel very certain they will show at least something new of XV. Even if the game isn't due out until after March of 2015, it could potentially release in less than a year. For SE timelines, that's nowhere near too soon to start hyping it and revealing new information. Plus, I'd rather be a disappointed optimist than a smug pessimist.
 

Alleo

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#33
I voted for option 3. It would be strange if they did not even mention it but I don´t think that there will be anything new.
 

APZonerunner

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#34
Lol, I don't mock people. I just don't like using Fiscal reports, as factual evidence that a any game will come out due to it. That's how I personally feel. Even without the Fiscal report I still have a big feeling FFXV will come out in 2015 " at some point worldwide. So the Fiscal report argument is kinda moot.

Fiscal reports do not in anyway shape or form "forecast" a E3/TGS showing.
Ih, I wasn't saying you were mocking! I agree it might well make it out in Japan by the end of 2015 calendar, but not fiscal, as that ends in March. :) To be clear.
 

TheTux94

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#35
I don't think they'll release a live demo but I'm 100% sure that there will be some new trailer. I'll be seriously disappointed if they just mention it.
 

Skye

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#38
Hashimoto did say that we'll be surprised at TGS 2014, they might announce the release date for Winter 2014. Like KH2, they unexpectedly announced the release date for Kingdom Hearts 2 at TGS 2005
 
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#40
Fiscal reports do not in anyway shape or form "forecast" a E3/TGS showing.
They don't, however, fiscal reports give us an idea of what Square Enix will be focusing on for the next year and what we'll most likely see at upcoming gaming events. Games that come out before FFXV will be the main priority and get the marketing budget.

Not listing FFXV for this fiscal year suggests it's not going to be a marketing priority anytime soon. Doesn't mean we won't get information though.