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Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII General Discussion and News Thread

Discussion in 'Final Fantasy Discussion' started by Omegaflare, Oct 10, 2013.

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  1. Omegaflare

    Omegaflare Yevonite

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    Similar to the FF XV thread, I thought it would be cool to have a general discussion thread for the next big Final Fantasy game that will be out.

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    Lightning Returns is the 3rd (and final) installment in the Final Fantasy XIII - Saga, as well as the 4th installment of the Fabula Nova Crystallis - Compilation. Its is the very first 2nd sequel to a FF game and to make it fresh and distinctive from its predecessors its enormously different in virtually every aspect.

    Set 500 years after FF XIII-2, LR features an entirely new world known as Nova Chrysalia. The entire original playable cast of FF XIII will be featured in the game along with Noel from XIII-2 and several new characters such as the female Lumina who bears a striking resemblance to the late Serah Farron from the the two previous games. the game will apparently have a much darker and grittier tone and in great contrast to the original game have a vast freely explorable world, with also lots of sidequests and optional challenges, pushing the powers of the current gen consoles to limits that werent possible with FF XIII in 2009.

    Two major changes are the fact that Lightning returns (hence the title) as the sole playable character and the fact that the player has only a limited amount of time to save the world and is racing against a "Doomsday clock". Another big change is that the world is not always the same, depending on the time, allowing access to locations or events only at very specific moments for instance.

    Lightning herself has been awakened from her crystal sleep by the supreme god Bhunivelze himself to be the "Savior", Bhunivelzes champion to save the souls of the new world from complete annihilation and ensuring their rebirth in a new world once the old one is gone for good. To ensure the rebirth of Serahs soul, Lightning agrees to take on the role of the Savior. This new life of hers brings her into conflict with old allies such as Snow or Noel.

    Snow is now a more bittered, darker character, still reeling from the loss of Serah (and suffering over 500 years from that surely can take a toll) and the mayor of a city and apparently also still a Lcie. Hope is back to his original look from FF XIII and is Lightnings greatest ally, who aids her in an "Oracle"-esque kind of way (Batman fans will understand the comparison^^) on her mission. Sazh, once again is fighting for his son and is more desperate than ever and Fang and Vanille (both painfully missed in XIII-2) are back in full as well. Fang is part of a band of thieves in the Dead Dunes while Vanille can now hear the dead and is involved with a religious order in the city of Luxerion. Noel is now a vigilante, trying to prevent a prophecy of doom.

    The most notable feature of LR is the new battle system which (like FF XV) abandons the traditional battle screen and goes instead for a much more dynamic and action oriented battle system which by the looks of it will also be more versatile and demanding then the paradigm-system in XIII and XIII-2. Most notably Lightning has now a large amount of different outfits, each presenting her with different skills and abilities and their own ATB gauge. Much like in FF X-2, she can change these costumes mid-battle and several of the costumes are based on famous Final Fantasy characters such as Yuna, Aerith or Cloud.

    The game is produced by many of the same developers who also worked on the two predecessors. Its directed by Motomu Toriyama and produced by Yoshinori Kitase.

    The game will be released on November 21, 2013 in Japan and in February 2014 worldwide for Playstation 3 and X Box 360.

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  2. Sapientia

    Sapientia ShinRa SOLDIER

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    Does anyone mind if I post my demo impressions from SDCC?
     
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  3. yeah_93

    yeah_93 AVALANCHE Warrior

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    I'm no mod, but if this is a thread of general discussion, I say you are welcome.

    OT, I think the story is beyond saving now. Nothing in XIII-2 seemed to make sense and the game forced you to go along with it.
     
  4. Omegaflare

    Omegaflare Yevonite

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    Yes I too had some major gripes with the story in XIII-2, though I LOVED the ending of it and didnt mind the "to be continued" at all (after all God of War II did that too, thats why its a saga). Actually I think the story premise of LR is pretty awesome. I like how the mythology of Bhunivelze, Lindsei etc. is brought into it (I think Bhunivelze is even that "maker" that Barthendelus wanted to call back in XIII) and I think moving the story ahead for 500 years was a good choice to start fresh in LR.

    Most of all I really like it that the maincast from XIII seems to have greater roles now then in XIII-2 and I LOVE that the focus is back on Lightning who is after all the greatest character in that universe (To me anyways. She is up there with Cloud for me as an iconic main character and the best scenes in XIII-2 were the ones were she was featured. She is the heart of this universe, like it or not).

    What excites me the most however is how the characters have changed and how Lightning must now face some of them like Snow even in battle. I love where they are going with Snows character in this game and that whole sequence from the trailers where he confronts Light is enormously epic. I like what Serahs death has done to Snow, its great character stuff and somehow a Light/Snow confrontation has been building up since FF XIII and now with Snow being much more serious and darker - seeing that clash was really exciting. Sure we have to deal with all that big time-stuff again but I doubt that LR will be as confusing or dragging as XIII-2 was and will deliver a big finale to the saga. I want the epic stuff again like in XIII that I missed in XIII-2 (except for the ending and opening) and I think LR will deliver on that, now that the focus is back on the right characters. They learned in XIII-2 from their mistakes in XIII and I think they learned in LR from the mistakes in XIII-2. And with the pretty amazing looking and action-oriented gameplay that will make Light more of a cinematic heroine in the battles by the looks of it and all the different costumes and customization options plus multiple playthroughs and an open world concept - I think this might be indeed the best PS3 - FF yet.
     
  5. Zack

    Zack Somniac Staff Member Moderator Site Staff UFFSite Veteran

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    I have extreme qualms about the story and characters in FFXIII that it started to become a real struggle to advance in the story. Eventually, I will get around to beating FFXIII and FFXIII-2 and moving here. Maybe when it's $20.
     
  6. Leon Aether

    Leon Aether PSICOM Soldier

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    What I like in this game is the total transition of the cast. The story and all characters are really serious this time!

    I believe XIII-2's story was not decent, but excellent! That's right! Excellent! The way they decided to move on with this second sequel was a bit weird to understand during the first playthrough, but while playing for a second time the story seemed to me that it progressed in a very interesting way, as there is now really so much depth in it!

    The great finale seems promising so far and it's nice that finaly a huge part of the FNC mythology has become the actuall main scenario of this saga. A bit too late if you ask me but gladly they decided to expand the world and strain this myhtology. Better late than never.
     
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  7. APZonerunner

    APZonerunner Network Boss-man Staff Member Administrator Site Staff UFFSite Veteran

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    We're giving away tickets to go and play this game early and meet the devs: http://www.mognetcentral.com/posts/2982/

    In addition, anybody who answers the competition question will get a special edition one-time Mognet Central LR trophy. Even if you can't make the event in London, it's worth answering the question - just leave a note saying you can't make the event and are just entering for fun!
     
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  8. d750

    d750 Stiltzkin's Apprentice

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    Any news about a version with japanaese audio with english subtitle?
     
  9. Kagari

    Kagari 神羅カンパニー社長 Staff Member Administrator Site Staff

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    Not happening this time.
     
  10. Omegaflare

    Omegaflare Yevonite

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    Doesnt surprise me. There is just not the capacity for having 2 different spoken languages in the game. Maybe FF XV will do it because I guess there will be more capacity on a next gen console but I never expected Lightning Returns to have japanese audio in the western versions
     
  11. APZonerunner

    APZonerunner Network Boss-man Staff Member Administrator Site Staff UFFSite Veteran

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    One of the larger problems is due to the culture of anime being huge in Japan voice acting is a much more prolific and well-paid profession there, and a lot of them have contracts which stipulate carefully about things like overseas release, meaning in a lot of cases companies would have to pay some of the more famous members of the Japanese cast royalties for copies sold in the West when only a tiny percentage of sales there would pick Japanese voices. This isn't really a thing in the West.

    One of the ways to get around this is with DLC; if they have DLC, they would only have to pay royalties for the people who download it, and you could even charge if you wanted. Problem is you then have to build additional infrastructure into the game and it just for many companies isn't worth it. It's a shame.
     
  12. d750

    d750 Stiltzkin's Apprentice

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    I wasn't talking about western versions. I was talking about a chinese/hk/korean version. There was japanese with english subtitles for ff13 ff13-2.
    I know that it was annouced that the chinese version of lightning returns, will only have chinese subtitles.
    altough there was two opposite news:
    december 2012 annoucing english subs http://www.novacrystallis.com/2012/...sion-of-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/
    july 2013 annoucing that there will not be english subs http://www.atmaxplorer.com/2013/07/asian-edition-of-lightning-returns-wont-get-english-subtitles/

    so i'm still hoping, that maybe there will have some news since. The announcement i guess is only for the chinese version that will only have chinese subs. But maybe the korean version will have english subs?

    if there really is no english subs on every version, it will be a loss, for everyone that wish to have japanse voice....
     
  13. Omegaflare

    Omegaflare Yevonite

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    Or those who want japanese audio need to learn japanese ;)
     
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  14. Kagari

    Kagari 神羅カンパニー社長 Staff Member Administrator Site Staff

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    The Chinese version won't have English subs now since they want to get it out in November. Originally it did and once they delayed the western release, they decided not to put in English for that version.
     
  15. Amicitia

    Amicitia Balamb Garden Freshman

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    Anyone have any thoughts on this game's antagonists? From the recent news on Vanille it's strongly implied that Bhunivelze is a Big Bad, but I don't think he's the final one.

    Or is this better discussed in a separate story thread?
     
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  16. Joshua

    Joshua PSICOM Soldier

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    There are two major things that excite me about this game as it approaches release:

    1) Conclusion of the story and seeing where all the major characters end up. Given what we've seen from the XIII saga so far, almost ANYTHING could happen.

    2) Seeing major SE staffers - including Toriyama (yes, I know) - freed up to go work on a new major project. Some of these guys have been locked up on the XIII saga for 7 years now, it will be interesting to see the shift and the new projects that come along with it.
     
  17. Omegaflare

    Omegaflare Yevonite

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    Its a general discussion thread, therefore you can talk about anything related to the game in here. Thats the whole purpose of the the thread so we dont need a hundred seperate threads all over the place ;)
     
  18. Amicitia

    Amicitia Balamb Garden Freshman

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    Okay, I was just worried about potential spoilers in story discussions. :p
     
  19. Omegaflare

    Omegaflare Yevonite

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    thats why there are spoiler tags for you to use. indeed you must mark spoilers of unreleased game as such but that doesnt mean you cant post spoilery stuff in this thread
     
  20. Sapientia

    Sapientia ShinRa SOLDIER

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    So, for those that plan on playing LR, what's your plan of action? What continents do you plan on visiting once the opening mission is over? Also, what are your favorite continents, now that we've seen quite a bit of each of them. These are my favorites:
    1. The Dead Dunes
    2. The Wildlands
    3. Yusnaan
    4. Luxerion
    After I thought about it a few times, instead of going to the Dead Dunes I think I'll head out to Luxerion the first chance I get from the Ark to progress the story. I don't think there'll be a ton of monsters in Luxerion, and I would imagine the city has a lot of story progression to be had, some of those clues we got a glimpse of in a screenshot, stealth missions, and plenty of nooks and crannies and shops to see/visit. Also, I want to hear "Luxerion - Morning" in game very bad.
    From then on I'll be visiting the Dead Dunes in the event that it has a lot of gil and treasure troves to dig up, and also meet up with Fang. I would imagine the enemies there aren't too bad. Also, the Dead Dunes looks to be the most beautiful of all of them, and I'd love to mess around in the dungeons beneath the sand.
    From there I'll probably pay another visit to Yusnaan depending on how the story goes, and do what I can there. I'm not really sure what to expect exactly, but perhaps another confrontation with Snow?
    And lastly, the Wildlands. Based on the recent Gamescom demo I'd imagine that there are a lot of higher-level enemies around here, such as that Behemoth. I'd also like to save the Angel of Valhalla (can we all agree it's Odin?) and begin nurturing him back to health, and also visit Mog in the Moogle Village. Because I must save them from a menacing terror, kupo!
    So, yup. Anyone else?
    Edit: I also forgot, confronting Caius and finally putting his sorry butt in the ground would be nice! I was hoping he'd be on Lightning's side for whatever reason this time around, but noooo.
     
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