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Shiva x Ifrit theory

Discussion in 'Final Fantasy XV - Spoiler Discussion' started by Storm, Sep 1, 2017.

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  1. Storm

    Storm AVALANCHE Warrior

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    so the bestiary entry for shiva in the german version says Shiva was Ifrit's lover, then i actually rewatched this video and...



    shiva kisses ifrit after freezing him to death

    this could totally be seen as a farewell kiss in my opinion; too far-fetched for now but this scene might be telling us something more and it matches the bestiary entry.
     
  2. Jubileus

    Jubileus AVALANCHE Warrior

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    Yeah I wonder why they didn't translate that in the English version?

    I mean it's a pretty important piece of info.

    Interesting that these two were lovers...

    So Gods falling in love and consummating is a thing in this game.

    Referring back to the other mythology portrait, the two gods embracing... I wonder who they represent?

    Knowing that they used to be lovers does make that kiss all the more interesting. You'd think she would side with him but she destroys him lol
     
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    maybe the idea of two astral god lovers were transferred to ifrit and shiva, since siren is not in the game.
     
  4. Jubileus

    Jubileus AVALANCHE Warrior

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    I guess this disqualifies the Pitioss theory then.

    The plot thickens... lol

    No but seriously, when I look at the Rock of Ravatogh I can see the wing and Ifrit's horns still, so not sure what to think now.

    Best Ifrit in the series, if not the most interesting.
     
  5. SonOfEtro

    SonOfEtro ShinRa SOLDIER

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    Translations when coupled with localization is a funny thing. I think the lore ended up adjusted from region to region based around perhaps the team's preferences for which lore to include, and that region's tastes when it comes to this kind of thing. Germanic lore is full of tragic romance between deities or god-like beings, Japanese is less so but includes more fine detail when it comes to deities' roles (like Ifrit just giving Fire in English and giving both flame and knowledge in Japanese), while in English it appeals more to a sweeping and simplified view that many hold about classical religions or the dominant Abrahamic faiths.

    As to why Shiva didn't side with Ifrit, I think that's fairly straightforward. According to the bestiary entry outside English, Ifrit was driven insane after being infected by the Starscourge. We know he turned against the Astrals as he was labelled "Betrayer", so it's not too difficult to assume they were forced to kill him after he was infected. The form faced by Noctis is Ifrit reborn from the Starscourge, likely as Ardyn's thrall. So I'd see Shiva's actions in this instance as a kindness towards her lover. And while without context the kiss just seemed like a cruel mockery or over-the-top drama for its own sake, with the context it's actually quite a sad farewell.

    And... the portrait. If you're talking about the Genesis mural, given that one of them has a fish tail and the other has wings, I think they're just highly humanized portrayals of Leviathan and Bahamut. Within the game's context was painted after Ifrit's fall, so he was probably scrubbed from the records.
     
  6. Bazztek

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    When I played through Pitioss I always assumed that the statue of the woman was of Shiva, and this was before any "pitioss theory" got posted online, I don't know where anyone got the idea that it was Eos or that Eos was even a person or a goddess.
     
  7. SonOfEtro

    SonOfEtro ShinRa SOLDIER

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    I think they decided that since the planet Eos was named for the Greek goddess of the dawn, they decided it had to be symbolic and so attached the name "Eos" to the statue. Incidentally, I'm a bit ambiguous about that woman being Shiva, mainly due to the fact that she wields that sword. While Ifrit, Ramuh and Bahamut definitely wield weapons, Shiva doesn't even in the giant form which we see in Niflheim.
     
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    I took the statues to being abstract interpretations of them and not literal depictions, as the "demon" statue doesn't actually resemble Ifrit at all but you can interpret it as being him, while the big bearded statue I interpreted as being either Titan or Bahamut.
     
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