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[SPOILERS] KINGSGLAIVE: FINAL FANTASY XV - Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Final Fantasy Discussion' started by Lulcielid, Jul 1, 2016.

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  1. Bionicle8563

    Bionicle8563 Red Wings Commander

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    Pretty sure its tech for the higher beasts, or at least obvious tech for the higher beasts. Although I didn't really see it on Ultros (I'm rewatching the movie atm, I'll try find it)? Maybe implanted rather than this external thing.
     
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  2. Lulcielid

    Lulcielid Turk

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    Looking back in hindsight this scene is kinda dumb (still awesome), I´m not sure how the flying swords would have protected them from the bullets (and the movie is aware of said flaw by going with the logical conclusion), Regis shielding was the most intelligent course of action to take in that moment.
     
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  3. ChingleeTribal

    ChingleeTribal Chocobo Knight

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    Possible reasons why she doesn't display her powers in the movie maybe:
    -While in captivity of Nifleheim she doesn't want them to know of her powers lest they manage to take advantage of it
    -Since she IS the youngest ever oracle her powers are still unstable. She needs something else to keep them in control. A trident of the gods perhaps?
    -Her powers take a huge toll on her so she restricts them for use in the most dire of dire situations she has already foreseen taking into account the guidance the Gods have given to her. She is powerful beyond imagination but she is restricted.

    If any of these are the case they should have been addressed in the movie.
     
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    Bionicle8563 Red Wings Commander

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    Can confirm, looks like Ultros is being controlled. Its slightly hard to see but look near the right fun, that circle thing. This makes me thing that Ultros, despite being the Genesis pic isn't a higher being like an Archean/Astral, but more like a higher beast like the weapons or Adamantiose. Maybe its something more, but that would mean that Niflheim has a way to control Astrals
    which might be the reason as to why Ardyn wants to take Noctis to an Astral
     
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  5. Leonhart

    Leonhart Yevonite

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    I don't think the purpose of the swords was protect them from the bullets but to say "If you try to shoot we will f***** kill you with these flying blades".
    BTW Don't forget that in the Versus XIII era Noctis used the phantom swords as shield against bullets... These little crystals flying in the air looks like to have this power.

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    Maybe they had to change it because it was too much overpowered and King Regis would probably killed Iedolas and put an end to the war. :kefkalol: :kefkalol: :kefkalol:
     
  6. Bionicle8563

    Bionicle8563 Red Wings Commander

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    So, since I'm rewatching I just realised that there is a small scene in which one of these chips or controlling devices fries and the monster just hits things randomly and dies. upload_2016-9-1_0-29-14.png
    This is one of the smaller creatures, which means that its probably on every daemon they have.
     
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  7. AtSwimTwoBirds

    AtSwimTwoBirds PSICOM Soldier

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    There is also a Bar called 'Seven Soldier'. Clearly a little VII reference.
     
  8. Lulcielid

    Lulcielid Turk

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    Finished watching the movie a few hours ago, some bulletpoin thoughts:

    • The story is pretty straightforward, which is not a bad thing on itself but I agree that the movie drops plot points that clearly are meant to be explained to have a deeper explanation in the game.
    • The editing in the fights was not as hard to follow as I was anticipating, I would say the opening warfare is the only part in the movie were the editing is quite messy, the rest range from fine to good.
    • Luna is ok in the movie, nothing bad.
    • While not having very deep characterization Nyx, Regis, Luna, Libertus & Titus had just enough characterization in the movie to make them somewhat interesting.
    • The CG is GOD GORGEOUS!!!
    • Seeing and hearing Iedolas talking more just 2 or 3 sentence during the whole run feel strange after having so little of him prior to seeing the movie.
    • Ardyn´s flamboyant mannerism were delicious.
    • I´m hesitant to call Ravu´s motivations stupid since Luna herself calls him out for hating on the wrong person, the movie should have expanded a bit more, thought.
    • "Knights of the Round" warp striking was dope.
    • Not standalone enought (from a scale of 1 to 10, I´d say KINGSGLAIVE stands as a 5 on the standalone scale, it had the potential to be standalone enough, it just needed some writing adjustments)
    Final score:
    7/10
     
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  9. Tornak

    Tornak ShinRa SOLDIER

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    BTW, I really enjoyed the relaxing scenes where Nyx and the rest are hanging out in a very interesting district, eating and drinking. Well, beyond the hammy voice acting. I wish we had spent more time in these streets, as there were very interesting places there and the mix of fantasy and Western and Japanese realism (less Japanese now, though) is great.

    It's interesting that the scenes I liked the most were precisely that one and the prologue one. Well, I also really enjoyed the scenes with Regis; you could tell just how fucking tired and old he is, despite only being around 40 or 50 years of age. The remaining scenes, well, not so much.

    Oh, and could we actually meet Libertus in the game? I guess he could be mentioned at least. And I want to fight Glauca, although him being alive could diminish Nyx's sacrifice (a little bit, as he succeded in getting Luna, Libertus and the ring out safely, at least).
     
  10. Leonhart

    Leonhart Yevonite

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    I remember reading somewhere that the Glaives won't be in the game... But since the Glaives are "extinct" now, maybe we could meet Libertus and hear a little about Nyx and the others. But I don't know, I feel that it won't be happening...

    Maybe if the fans demand it enough their turn the Glaives into a DLC because Tabata said they want to create more content to the game post release. If this happen is a great chance to us to fight against Glauca in past battles.
     
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  11. Tornak

    Tornak ShinRa SOLDIER

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    Mmh, could be, yeah. I hope one of the DLCs/expansions is in regards to the Colosseum and makes it like the one in KH. I remember loving the hell out of the one of the first game when I was a kid, especially the bigger and harder battles. Actually, there is apparently one DLC that requires PS+ to function iirc, so some online element could be used.

    Tabata said that Nyx would appear in the game in some form, or more like "his presence could be felt". I'm guessing we could encounter his ghost, although he isn't a king and that would seem to be the requirement to be part of the judging group of the ring. Maybe he's referring to a flashback, a callback or simply the fact that, thanks to him, the ring is safe: Luna could very well tell Noctis about Nyx.

    Come to think about it, I'm actually curious about whether Noctis ever met Nyx. Kinda liked the character despite not being the most complex, original guy around.
     
  12. ChingleeTribal

    ChingleeTribal Chocobo Knight

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    Did anyone else feel Regis treated the glaives like shit?
    They just seemed like expendables to him.

    Is that what he wanted to begin with? A group of elites that he feels just because they were given safety and purpose within the wall should be grateful enough and accept death without anyone giving a care in the world about their exploits to protect Insomnia?

    I mean, in that scene when they're in the elevator I expected Regis to be more sympathetic and personal with Nyx. I thought he'd but his hand on his shoulder and say something like "listen my son, you've done more than a king could ask of you but I require one last task...a task I can only entrust to those closest to me".

    I actually had the idea in my head that Regis personally trained the glaives and spent some time with them as youngsters. Kinda made Regis seem like a selfish arsehole a bit if I'm honest.

    EDIT: I guess it could be that with Regis being king he didn't have time to spend or personally train them.
     
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  13. ChingleeTribal

    ChingleeTribal Chocobo Knight

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    Storm AVALANCHE Warrior

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    ChingleeTribal Chocobo Knight

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    You will.
    ....In flashback segments as kid/teen Noctis, right Sqaure? RIGHT?!?!
     
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    llazy77 Sphere Hunter

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    Remember Tabata said you cant explore Insomnia, he didn't say you couldn't explore Lucis. I dont think nifilhiem destroyed the entirety of Lucis so they should be some city areas there that are just fine. As for playable flashbacks that would be cool too.
     
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    DrBretto AVALANCHE Warrior

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    Looking at the level of detail in Insomnia in Kingsglaive, there was never any chance a city that big could be included with free reign and stuff to do. That's just not realistic. We're talking about something monumentally huge.
     
  18. ChingleeTribal

    ChingleeTribal Chocobo Knight

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    And that's why Epsiode 1 will be just Midgar xD
     
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    DrBretto AVALANCHE Warrior

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    Legit, it very well might be.

    But, with FFVII, there's no promise of "open world" so they can block off most of it and no one will complain.

    That and no one will complain because it's FFVII and not Tabata.
     
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  20. LeonBlade

    LeonBlade Forest Owl Staff Member Moderator Site Staff

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    I watched the movie today and I will leave a few impressions and my own thoughts, but nothing long winded like usual (I rant on for too much as it is, and I want to keep this short)

    IMPRESSIONS
    • Critics who bashed the movie for only being useful if you're going to play the game I think are in the right (sort of). That being said, I think if you're looking at just an action film where the plot isn't too important for you, I think you can easily enjoy this movie.
    • Exposition wise I felt like it was somewhat lacking, but that mainly has to do with the time constraints of the movie. With a larger budget and a longer movie, they probably could have fit a few more things in there.
    • Overall the actual story that goes on within the movie is easy to follow albeit feeling a bit fast paced (again I believe it's a time issue here).
    • Lip syncing was pretty bad in some areas, but overall not a huge problem.
    • Voice acting I didn't have any problems with, I liked many of the voice actors in the movie.
    • The fight scenes are really cool, I don't know why people felt like they were lost at all trying to make sense of what was going on. I always knew what was happening and where they were going, etc.
    • By FAR one of the coolest scenes I've ever seen out of ANYTHING EVER was when the Stone Statues first came to life and one of them throws their sword and warps across the city. My throat dropped into my stomach, I was seriously blown away by how fucking awesome that was.
    MOTIVES
    • Motives for rebel Glaives I feel like is actually completely understandable. The reason why it feels off for most people is likely due to how little they really explain the situation of who the Glaive are and where they come from to give you a reason to feel for them. Lucis encompasses the outlying regions of Insomnia and largely encompasses the continent its positioned on. This includes Leide, Duscae, Cleigne along with others I'm sure. Regis doesn't do much to aid anyone outside his own city, so people aren't happy with him. He gives up these areas freely to the empire and people are pissed. Not only that, but Insomnians inside the city seem to not like the immigrants. Knowing full well they can't fight against Niflheim, they instead rebel against the failing nation of Insomnia. I thought this was pretty straight forward and easy to understand for the movie's sake, I feel many people expressed that their motives didn't make sense, but I didn't share that sentiment watching the movie.
    • Motives for Drautos I would say are a bit mixed. Drautos has been a long standing traitor without much of an explanation. While he shares the same situation as the other Glaives, he has taken it leaps and bounds beyond any of the Glaives, and has been doing so for quite some time. I don't have a problem for this though, as I honestly assume that we'll get the backstory for Drautos in the game instead.
    • As for the possibility of Drautos being able to be two important figures at once, you have to understand that Drautos for the Glaives doesn't seem to actually do much fighting, and he's likely not needed very often for Niflheim. I don't see it being impossible for him to play both roles, especially considering how often he's out of the front lines, and how much more focused Regis is on other matters. Drautos sort of goes unchecked and is allowed to get away with whatever he wants.
    • The Glaives turning on each other to me makes a lot of sense, they basically have given up all allegiance to the King and are now fighting for their homes and see the other Glaives that are still aligned to the king as traitors to their homeland.
    CHARACTERS
    • Nyx is a really cool character, would have liked to know more of his back story. I'm fully expecting him to take some form in the game, perhaps being immortalized in the Ring of Lucii since he was granted their power after all. Tabata did say we would see him in some form, I imagine this could be it.
    • Libertus was a good character as well, would have liked for him to have more screen time. Again, the movie's length for the amount of content was a factor in a lot of problems. His motives for initially rejecting the King made sense, but he realizes what truly matters at the end and I'm glad.
    • Regis was lovely to see, I can't wait to see more of his scenes in flashbacks in the game. The scene in the signing ceremony with the weapons drawn where Regis puts up the barrier made a lot of sense as someone else pointed out. The weapons drawn are a bit like a deterrent, but once the magitek soldiers drop in a fuck things up, they need to act quickly. Seeing Regis get stabbed and shoved aside was so sad. At least he still lives on in the ring...
    • Drautos was fucking menacing as all hell. Seeing him rip through the few of the royal guards around Regis like they were made out of paper was great, definitely a terrifying image to see him with his sword.
    • Claurus while not given much screen time, was nice to see. It was nice to see him and Regis talk about the good old days before trying to fight back. It was awful seeing him impaled by his own sword on the wall, I really felt for him and Regis there. I can imagine when Noctis and Gladio return to Insomnia they're going to see their dead fathers and it's going to be horrifying.
    • Ravus as many people have mentioned was pretty lacking in all character. He seemed like a bumbling idiot in a way, and doesn't have any grip on reality. I fully expect more backstory and substance for him in the actual game though.
    • Luna I saved for last because I have a bit to say about her. There's definitely something more to her character than meets the eye. People are looking at it one dimensionally and not really paying attention to what she says. Regis mentions to her about her "fate" before she really makes much mention of it. Later in the film she also expresses that she has a "duty to fulfill" and how she's "not afraid of death". I feel like Luna has something she's hiding in the movie about her character and what sort of role she plays in the universe. It's not just that she's an Oracle, but I can't really say what it is. Her jumping out of the airship for example is something that shows she has confidence in what she's doing. I've seen criticisms of this as in her just being stupid, but she mentions that "I'm not afraid of death I'm afraid of not doing anything". What she means by this, is that she knows what role Noctis plays in the future of this world, and that if she does nothing that everything can fall apart. As for her jumping out potentially to her death, I'm fairly certain she would have made it onto the platform anyways from how she jumped. Despite this, I believe she might have known that Nyx would have went after her anyways, and this was the only way to force his hand. Again, there's something more to Luna than we see. Look at how the past Kings mention the future and the larger picture of the future. This is something that Luna understands as well as Nyx (something people on here don't seem to understand though kek). There is this common theme though that there's clearly more to the story with Luna, future events and Niflheim than what meets the eye. Something is definitely up with Luna though... Overall, I really loved seeing her in the movie, she was never a damsel in distress either, as I'm sure many people would love to say. Yes, she was captured, but it wasn't for the sake of saving, it was to get rid of the Glaives.
    CONCLUSION

    Overall, I really enjoyed the movie a lot. I've seen some really bad impressions from some people, and really good impressions from others. What this tells me, is that some people are likely going into this movie expecting it to be more than what it is. If you see this as sort of prequel like cinematic for XV, I think you will enjoy the movie a lot more. It doesn't really stand on its own... then again... it's not supposed to. Neither was Advent Children... I think people forget that.

    The movie certainly got me excited for the game even more, and I'll definitely watch the movie again even just for the Stone Statue sequence alone, god good that was fucking incredible.

    If I had to give the movie a rating, I'd probably give it a 7.5/10.

    Definitely worth watching if you are looking forward to XV or you're just into action. If you're looking for a blockbuster film, you're in the wrong neighborhood. Things that would have given it a higher score would be honestly a longer film with more story exposition and cleaning up the lip syncing.
     
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