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[SPOILERS] KINGSGLAIVE: FINAL FANTASY XV - Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Final Fantasy Discussion' started by Lulcielid, Jul 1, 2016.

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  1. DrBretto

    DrBretto AVALANCHE Warrior

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    Luna theory from Kingsglaive, ties into the game. Pure speculation, but I will spoiler tag it just in case. Mainly because it actually makes sense, but it also makes some bits of KG make sense as well:

    Luna "does not fear death" and jumps out of the plane without a parachute because she knows when she will die, and it involves a prophecy that she, Regis and probably Ardyn are aware of and completely buy into it.

    In other words, even Luna knows she's going to die in-game. And knowing when she WILL die means she knows she doesn't have to fear death now. So she proved it by jumping out of a plane. This makes more sense than I'm making it sound, lol.

    My guess is this information was also shared with Nyx, and this is why all of a sudden he was willing to summon a bunch of giants to come in and destroy pretty much all of Insomnia just to get Luna out of the city with the ring.
     
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  2. Leonhart

    Leonhart Yevonite

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    It's strange to see a "spoiler tag" in a SPOILER thread :cactuar:

    But your speculation makes sense I think. Luna knows about the future because she is the oracle and believe in her duty without any doubts.
    This could explain much of her actions in the movie... Like jumping of the plane.

    But we need to wait and see because Luna don't see to know everything - like Glauca motivations and such. Or... would be great tho if Luna knew eveything, including Regis death but can't interfere because it's part of the future they need.

    Luna can be a very deep character.
     
  3. DrBretto

    DrBretto AVALANCHE Warrior

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    I put the tags on because it would be a game spoiler, not a movie spoiler.

    But as for her not knowing about Glouca, that wouldn't matter. She doesn't know the details leading up to it. She'd just know where she's going to be at this certain, very important point in time. Hence, the jumping out of the plane. She wouldn't know HOW she's going to survive it. All she would have to know is how she WILL die, and it's not here.
     
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  4. Tornak

    Tornak ShinRa SOLDIER

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    Yeah, I thought about Nyx's presence being him staying as an spectre on the ring, but my doubt is: would the kings allow a pleb in their cicle? I guess he could manifest in other ways, though.

    I'm expecting some emotional scenes where Noctis is all fucked up from battle and Regis' spirit or whatever you wanna call it helps him stand up. Basically this:
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    I guess this could be just a random concept art and not be in the game, though.

    And indeed, I had forgotten about it: Clarus' death was pretty sad, especially for the fact that he wasn't even able to put on a fight. He died so quickly, man.

    I hope Noctis and Gladio's reactions to their fathers' deaths are well done. Which is why I kinda want Glauca in the game.
     
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  5. Chocobocoholic

    Chocobocoholic Yevonite

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    I CAN FINALLY ENTER THIS THREAD! \o/

    Just gone done watching Kingsgliave. I enjoyed it, and I'm now looking forward to the game even more. I didn't think the writing was as bad as some people are saying, and even the voice acting was ok. Apart from Libertus. His VA wasn't great. I thought it led in to the game well and there were some great action sequences and emotional scenes. I was pretty shocked that they killed off Crowe so early in the film, and I was kind of hoping that she would make it in to the game in someway but clearly that won't be happening now.
     
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  6. LeonBlade

    LeonBlade Forest Owl Staff Member Moderator Site Staff

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    I forgot to mention her character in my post, so I'll just say something breifly here. One member on these forums in particular criticized her death saying that they "fridge'd" her character and somehow that has to do with her being female or something. Just in case you didn't watch the movie or something... pretty much EVERY Glaive dies, most of them being betrayed by others. Crowe isn't some exception or special case for this... not sure why it needs to be mentioned explicitly as if "they killed off the only female Glaive" is somehow relevant when they killed ALL OF THEM.
     
  7. Leonhart

    Leonhart Yevonite

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    Funny thing is that Libertus probably is the only Glaive alive. And since their powers comes from the King and the King is dead... All Glaives are actually "extinct".
     
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  8. Storm

    Storm AVALANCHE Warrior

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    had a great time watching Kingsglave (thanks Ilazy for the link); I think the movie had its share of problems, but considering this is Nozue's first movie the end result was quite good.

    my impressions:

    - although the movie jumps from scene-to-scene really fast sometimes, I never felt it was troubling my understanding of the plot; didn't find the action to be hard to follow at all.
    - surprisingly Luna was ok? I think she did fine.
    - so many unnecessary "hero" lines and "I need to protect the future", I mean goddamn this is not XIII-2 lol.
    - apart for some cringy dialogue here and there, what really bothered me was some of the voices and lip-sync.
    - ultros sounds were so bizarre, weird, yet terrifying; they nailed his "realistic" version imo.
    - the ost was good overall, the prologue theme is beautiful.
    - movie needs more credit not for the amazing CG work, but for the stellar art direction.
    - i loved the Versus XIII nods; the party scene could be a bit longer, there's Reaper statues in the movie, one in the city and one on Nyx's desk;
    - Glauca was an awesome villain. Ravus was... a comic relief? lol
    - the Knights of the Round omg nyx could do some real shit with the ring, which only hyped me for the game.

    overall I think the movie deserves a 7 or even 8, I'll def watch again.
     
  9. Lulcielid

    Lulcielid Turk

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    Now that we got to see the Lucii Ring in action in Kingsglaive, I got a theory of what power it could give to Noctis gameplay-wise:

    "Unlimited" Magic Power: this would translate to Noctis (and the player) no longer needing to draw magic, where it would only be limited by his MP pool and by how much magic he has stored in the inventory.
    I thinking giving him more would be a bit overkill, balance-wise.
     
  10. Rin

    Rin Backlog Connoisseur Staff Member Moderator Site Staff

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    Actually, Nozue worked on Advent Children as co-director. @Storm
     
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  11. Storm

    Storm AVALANCHE Warrior

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    thanks for the correction; still not much experience, I think he did alright.

    about the ring's power, I really hope is not limited by buffs. I want offensive magic.
     
  12. LeonBlade

    LeonBlade Forest Owl Staff Member Moderator Site Staff

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    It's forbidden magicks, Tabata already said to expect classic FF magic here.
     
  13. Chocobocoholic

    Chocobocoholic Yevonite

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    Well said.

    Also, I forgot to mention Regis' death. It was so brutal and reminded me in some ways of Aeriths' death in FFVII, with Luna and Nyx looking on helpless behind the wall Regis made, similar to Cloud watching on while Aerith was trapped in The Lost City.

    I hope that Noctis and Gladio will be able to retrieve Regis' and Clarus' body to give them a proper send off in the game.
     
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  14. Noctis_Caelum

    Noctis_Caelum PSICOM Soldier

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    OMG, now thinking about that...that would be so tragic to them :,(
     
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  15. NightOwl

    NightOwl Yevonite

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    Finally saw the movie today and really enjoyed it despite some issues. No movie is ever perfect and for a company that specializes in making video games, I think SE did a pretty damn good job.

    IMPRESSIONS:
    • CGI and animation is breathtakingly beautiful. The amount of detail is absolutely astounding from the clothes to the wrinkles on the face - even small things like the movement of the adam’s apple was a nice touch. And might I add that Tenebrae is gorgeous. Luna’s palace is so intricately detailed; even the inside of the door has a mother-of-pearl like pattern.
    • Editing choices were a bit strange most noticeably in the beginning. Did we really need 2 fade to black shots when the injured Libertus gets placed into the truck? But I did like the transition when Crowe leaves in the Speedy Chocobo van and it changes over to the airship entering Tenebrae.
    • Voice acting was great and the voices suited everyone - the actors really put in their emotion to bring their characters to life. Odd one out was Libertus though - he sounded a bit “overacted”. Maybe he’s supposed to sound gruff, but anyway, I got used to him.
    • Lip syncing was ok, but sometimes the mouth and facial movements didn’t quite match the voice or emotion. Overall, nothing unforgivable.
    • Fight scenes were amazing. Something like that can’t be pulled off in a live-action film. I got a bit lost during the Ultros fight as I couldn’t figure out which direction Ultros was heading and the only indication of up or down was when the characters were falling. Also got a bit lost trying to find Nyx and Glauca in the stone statue fight, but who cares, it was so freakin’ epic with all the statues warping!
    • Music was lovely; most notable tracks were the emotional prologue theme, Somnus and the main theme. I also heard the main FF theme when Luna’s escort argued with the gate keeper.
    CHARACTERS:
    • Nyx was a cool, manly character. A pure badass with likeable personality - duty-bound, but with a slight touch of arrogance. Hearing his sister scream in his head at strange times felt a bit out of place though. I suppose it was an attempt to give him some backstory, but due to time, it wasn’t fully explored. I’m sure we’ll hear more about him in the game since Luna will have to explain how she escaped that destruction.
    • Libertus had some nice development despite little screen time. Fighting off Glauca on top of a car with a broken leg deserves some badass points. I have a feeling he and the rebellion will play a role near the end of the game. On a side note, I didn’t quite understand the point of that rebellion leader - his mutterings didn’t make sense to me when he died…
    • Crowe was like one of the guys and deserved better than a cruel death (the markings around her eyes reminded me of the statues from the Versus XIII trailer).
    • Pelna seemed like a good guy, but then that tentacle appeared around the corner…
    • Luche the douche - you deserved what you got…
    • Drautos was utterly terrifying as Glauca. Literally a back-stabbing bastard! I’d like to learn more about his motivations. He actually tried to kill Ravus to stop him from wearing the ring, which makes me wonder what he’s truly after. He was an unstoppable force in the movie and I don’t believe this is the end of the King/Queen slayer.
    • Clarus put up a better fight than the other royal guards, but damn, what a way to die…
    • Regis was a lovely character who desperately did everything he could for his son. He harboured so much guilt over abandoning Luna and I could feel his pain. She was like a daughter to him. I sobbed terribly when he let go of Luna’s hand and wished for her and Noctis to live happily. He put up a good fight against Glauca and I sobbed even more when he died. Luna reuniting with Regis after 12 years only for her to see the life disappear from his eyes was heartbreaking. I can’t wait to see more of him in flashbacks in the game.
    • Iedolas is such a sly, old man. It was almost fun to see his patronizing exchanges with Regis.
    • Ardyn is so much fun to watch because you don’t know what he’s up to. He’s one of those unpredictable characters you just can’t quite figure out.
    • Ravus is a rather unlikeable character. I felt sorry when his mother was killed before his eyes, but then he grew up to be an idiot with a warped sense of reality. You could sense the tension between him and Luna. There doesn’t seem to be any love lost between them because Luna didn’t seem to bat an eyelid when he lay on the ground screaming in pain. The movie was holding back on his character and the other antagonists - I expect them to be fully fleshed out in the game so we can have a better understanding of their motivations.
    I’ve saved the best for last. I have a quite a lot to say about her so please bear with me.
    • Luna is more complex than she appears to be. A lot of people have criticized her portrayal in the movie continually calling her a damsel in distress. I disagree completely. Yes, she needed to be rescued once or twice, but when you have no armor, weapons or magic, what can you possibly do against Glauca or the terrifying Ultros? She was competent enough to run, jump, climb and pull herself up. She assisted in throwing that tracker into the airship thus destroying it and drives the car on 2 occasions. And she was even willing to risk her own life to put the ring on when they were all cornered by Glauca - that takes flippin’ balls.
    She may not be a physically, strong fighter, but she possesses an impressive mental fortitude and intelligence which she uses to manipulate others or the situation. For example, it seemed reckless for her to jump out of the airship, but I believe she was forcing Nyx’s hand because he refused to take her back to Regis. She manipulated Luche into wearing the ring knowing full well he would burn to a crisp after seeing it happen to her own brother. She even convinces Libertus to leave her by sugar-coating her reason. I think it’s not because he’s a “great hero”, but because he’s a fugitive and his broken leg would also slow her down.

    Luna displays a maturity that few heroines possess. She is not the screaming, flailing, girly girl. She is brave, independent, knows who she is and what she wants and is not afraid to take matters into her own hands. She knows her own strengths and weaknesses, but will not let a disadvantaged position cower her in fear. She is my favourite character so far and I can’t wait to see her story in the game. SE is definitely holding back on her character as well - I’m sure she’ll surprise us even more.​

    CONCLUSION:

    Overall, I enjoyed the movie and felt that it succeeded in setting the scene for the game. Themes like betrayal and sacrifice play a huge role in the movie and will most certainly carry over into the game. The tagline “Everything for the future king” wasn’t kidding. Insomnia was obliterated; fathers and good soldiers sacrificed themselves to hold the enemy off and Luna went through hell to get the ring out. The movie has really made me look forward to the game when Noctis and Luna reunite and he sets out to reclaim his throne!
     
  16. LeonBlade

    LeonBlade Forest Owl Staff Member Moderator Site Staff

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    What are you, me? lol. I agree with your post entirely.
     
  17. NightOwl

    NightOwl Yevonite

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    Lmao sorry, your post looked really nice with all the bold text and bullet points so I followed the same formula ;)
     
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  18. TheOneWhoIsTornApart

    TheOneWhoIsTornApart Red Wings Commander

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    Do you guys think the goddess that Luna was praying to in the movie will be important to the story of FFXV?. She was looking to the moon while praying which makes me think it will play a part in the game as well. Her name is Luna after all. I wonder if we will go to the moon in the game. They seem to put a lot of emphasis on it in artwork and in the game itself.
     
  19. DrBretto

    DrBretto AVALANCHE Warrior

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    This whole time people were afraid that you'd need to watch the movie to get the game, and it turns out we'll need to play the game to get the movie.
     
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  20. SonOfEtro

    SonOfEtro ShinRa SOLDIER

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    I think she's deeply connected with the mysterious Goddess in the game's logo, who is "the most important Goddess" in XV's world. Since we know there are multiple male deities somewhere and a single female goddess, I wouldn't be surprised if the moon is connected to the Goddess. Plus (this is just my own opinion), I don't think the Goddess will be evil, but an unseen benevolent figure in opposition to the begins which created the Crystal (traditionally seen by Lucis' people as gods).
     
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