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Lord_Ham_Mork

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A King's Tale was set 30 years before the events of the main game, like Episode Ardyn, and I was wondering... What about if Ultros (the mysterious figure) was only an allegorical figure and he decided to change some references of the story to "protect" Noctis?
Well, in Comrades Cid confirms they fought Ultros, and Regis made up things because Noct wanted a cooler story.

I think Regis didn't mention Ardyn because it simply is not a thing you would tell your 5 year old son as a bed story xD
 
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Valeny7

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lmao you're right.
"My boy, a red-head man tried to kill me and he's still alive, he's immortal and in search for revenge, have a good night son."

Btw I thought that because someone said that there isn't any reference about the first assault made by Ardyn, and... maybe this is a reference ummh
 
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"FINAL FANTASY XV EPISODE ARDYN"
Inside the game, you can enjoy the streets of Insomnia stuck to details. We will introduce a little about the state of the town where fantasy and real merged.

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OMG I was waiting for this side of Insomnia for sooo long. I love Tokyo and this looks so nice, I'm gonna cry.
Also, I'm happy that there'll be a day night cycle. It's gonna be gorgeous seeing all those light at night:woot:
 
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Bazztek

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I wouldn't say it's synonymous with "Summons." The term "Espers" is used with similar frequency, appearing in VI (the first time summons were given a unique name!), XII, Tactics' retranslation and all of its sequels, Airborne Brigade, Record Keeper, Brave Exvius, and Chocobo Racing. Even Dissidia 012 slips back and forth between the two terms. And, more importantly, with regards to mainline Final Fantasy games, no special name was given to any summon for six games (with IV only calling its summons "Eidolons" in its remake) and four of the games chose their own game-specific terms (GFs, Aeons, Avatars, and Primals for VIII, X, XI, and XIV, respectively).

Basically, "Eidolon" is not a safe translation for a Japanese term the way that "Moogle" is a safe translation for "Moguri." It's a specific localization choice made by some FF teams and rejected by others. I find it difficult to believe that a professional translator would decide it was a good idea to call summons "Eidolons" without being told to do so.
Seriously? Like 3 actual games use Esper one of which is over 25 years ago, the other of which is just a port of an older game which only used it because FF12 and by extension its DS spinoff used it as a callback to FF6s term, any other use is just in random mobile gatcha games, it's nowhere near as widely used a term as Eidolon is. Eidolon started being used with FF9, then multiple new FFs started using it with 13, 13-2, LR, Type-0 as well as bunch of other full spinoff games, and Dissidia 012 primarily uses Eidolon for those called Eidolons and only calls ones that were called Espers as Espers, and even then FF5 and FF7 summons are called Eidolons in 012 too despite not being called that in their own games. GF, Aeon, Avatar and Primals are all only one game specific use, not a recurring use, and between Esper or Eidolon, Eidolon is the most widely used term for what summons are referred to as far more than Esper has been used, it is synonymous with summon itself. If XV summons were called Eidolons then there would be evidence regarding this found in datamine content which has localized things going even back to 2014 script and text entries, yet not any mention of Eidolon while there is for Astral. The fact that the live translator just chose to use Eidolon when live translating is simply because it's a term most synonymous with summons, there's nothing more to it than that.

Even the FF wiki states that Eidolon is the more popular name usage over Esper.

In the Japanese games summoned monsters are usually referred to as "phantom beasts" (幻獣, Genjū?), and in some other works, such as Final Fantasy XIII, "summoned/called-for beast" (召喚獣, Shoukanjuu?).

The first specific name given to summoned monsters in an English game was Final Fantasy VI, where they are called "espers." Since then, various games have used different terms for summoned monsters—Esper and Eidolon are the most common with the latter being more popular, but there are others. Some games that lack specific English terms refer to them simply as summons or summoned monsters/beasts.
 
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FFChocobo18

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Finally we can explore Insomnia as a normal town I guess.

This DLC is the perfect way to end FFXVs tale.
Yeah, I'm excited about this, and hopefully, this could ease the worry of those who thought Insomnia wouldn't be explorable, and for people like me to be in joy of exploring it. I'm also looking forward to playing as Ardyn himself as well as the DLC's story.
 

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A King's Tale was set 30 years before the events of the main game, like Episode Ardyn, and I was wondering... What about if Ultros (the mysterious figure) was only an allegorical figure and he decided to change some references of the story to "protect" Noctis?
You know I never thought about that, in AKT Regis is telling the story of how Daemons suddenly attacked Insomnia, though since Daemons shouldn't have been able to get inside Insomnia I mostly just chalked that up to Regis just making up the story to get Noctis excited, but what if he was just embelleshing the fact that Ardyn and those he daemonized in Insomnia was the Daemons in his bedtime story, him just mixing fact with fiction? In Comrades Cid and Wheskam also mention having fought an octopus back in the day that got away. The XV devs also confirmed Clarus will be in Ep Ardyn, so I wonder if a younger Cid, Wheskam and even Cor will be too.
 

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It would be great if you got to see other places in Insomnia, like the places we saw in Kingsglaive, like Section D. Working subways and even Caelum Via hotels and resorts. But we know that's not going to happen. I don't even see any cars.

And I also wonder if Drautos is going to be in this.
 
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Seriously? Like 3 actual games use Esper one of which is over 25 years ago, the other of which is just a port of an older game which only used it because FF12 and by extension its DS spinoff used it as a callback to FF6s term, any other use is just in random mobile gatcha games, it's nowhere near as widely used a term as Eidolon is. Eidolon started being used with FF9, then multiple new FFs started using it with 13, 13-2, LR, Type-0 as well as bunch of other full spinoff games, and Dissidia 012 primarily uses Eidolon for those called Eidolons and only calls ones that were called Espers as Espers, and even then FF5 and FF7 summons are called Eidolons in 012 too despite not being called that in their own games. GF, Aeon, Avatar and Primals are all only one game specific use, not a recurring use, and between Esper or Eidolon, Eidolon is the most widely used term for what summons are referred to as far more than Esper has been used, it is synonymous with summon itself. If XV summons were called Eidolons then there would be evidence regarding this found in datamine content which has localized things going even back to 2014 script and text entries, yet not any mention of Eidolon while there is for Astral. The fact that the live translator just chose to use Eidolon when live translating is simply because it's a term most synonymous with summons, there's nothing more to it than that.

Even the FF wiki states that Eidolon is the more popular name usage over Esper.
Being the more popular name usage is not the same as being synonymous.

My argument is not that Esper is just as commonly used as Eidolon. My argument is that, given both the relative frequency of Esper and the relative frequency of game-specific summon names, there's worse than 50/50 odds that any randomly-chosen FF game would use the term Eidolon, and therefore it would be highly unprofessional for a translator to choose it as a translation without being instructed to do so. The only appropriate translation for the Japanese phrase being translated is "summon" (or "summoned creature" if they wanted to be more literal instead of using the fandom's common parlance).
 

Bazztek

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Being the more popular name usage is not the same as being synonymous.

My argument is not that Esper is just as commonly used as Eidolon. My argument is that, given both the relative frequency of Esper and the relative frequency of game-specific summon names, there's worse than 50/50 odds that any randomly-chosen FF game would use the term Eidolon, and therefore it would be highly unprofessional for a translator to choose it as a translation without being instructed to do so. The only appropriate translation for the Japanese phrase being translated is "summon" (or "summoned creature" if they wanted to be more literal instead of using the fandom's common parlance).
Being the most widely used term for summon outside of summon itself does mean it is synonymous with it, the frequency of Eidolon's use is far higher than Esper, especially if you even factor in the amount of people who even played those games which already puts Eidolon's spread ever further than whatever Esper has. If someone says Eidolon they know it means summon, it's a term synonymous with summon and even after XV was out people still call the XV summons as Eidolons because it's a term that is just synonymous with summons. A live translation is not the same thing as actually localizing a game, and using terms not actually present in the game is extremely common and has nothing to do with being unprofessional.

Also I suggest you read this article which was a GDC presentation by the localization head of FFXV.
https://www.dualshockers.com/final-...on-director-talks-fantasy-based-reality-much/
And check this

They focused on the layman’s understanding of lore, and used words that could be easily digested, like Gods, Demons, Messengers, Oracles and things that the average person on the street has heard. Summoned characters, which every Final Fantasy names differently were called Astrals. This allowed the team to make sure that everybody could be clear on the basic ground rules of the lore.

Then to prevent the lore from becoming too flat, kennings were added for effect. For instance Titan is the God of Earth, and that how most refer to him, but at times you hear him called the “Archaeon” or “Land Forger” for a more eloquent style depending on context and who is talking.
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Communicating with regional marketing teams and knowing their promotional schedules and messaging allowed the team to better contextualize the content for the audience, and tell a more cohesive story. They also helped covering up for the localization team, like for the demo when there was the term “Archaeon,” but no “Astral” yet, and people thought that “Archaeon” was the name of summons. Inoue admits that it’s a “minor detail,” but it’s a “huge deal.”

On the other hand, a problem of being so involved with the promotion is that you risk to lose sight of players who come in blind, without having watched trailers or followed the promotion of the game. How do you bring them up to speed without alienating your avid fans?
Here he pretty much flat out states that the Archaean term mentioned in Ep Duscae is what people thought summons were called because Astral hadn't been used to directly referr to a summon as yet, even though it was the actual term but only Archaean had been seen at the time to directly referr to a summon by. The only mention of Astral in ep Duscae is just saying Noctis gained an Astral Power, but Archaean is used to directly call Titan, a summon, the Archaean Titan, which caused people to assume Archaean was the term for summons.

Eidolon was never the term for summons in XV, and the live translator using it during a live translation does not mean it ever was, it just means that live translator decided to use it simply because the term is synonymous with summons and people know what it means anyway.

Or this Legends of Localizations FF6 article, which also shows that when typing FFVI's Japanese term for summons which is "幻獣 /genjuu" into google translate that it shows up as Eidolon now instead of saying Phantom Beast.
https://legendsoflocalization.com/final-fantasy-vi/



"Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, the GBA translation seems to use the old “Esper” term rather than the modern “eidolon” choice. So, in a weird twist, Google is actually handling this term closer to a modern, official translation than the actual, official translation!"
 
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Insomnia looks incredible, and I wouldn't expect anything less from the devs however I wonder how much of it is available too us? I doubt it'll be 1:1 with Shinjuku lol but I am expecting a bigger map than what we had in the Royal Edition. Also, I hope we can explore the city before Ardyn begins his assault even if just for a few minutes, it'd be nice to experience Insomnia while it's actually still vibrant and full of life as opposed to it being void and full of enemies the entire time like at the end of the game.

Also, seeing the city like this makes me want a playable parting ways prologue even more :D. And hey I mean the story is already composed, and now the assets are already created.. I'm not saying it would be "easy to do" but it wouldn't be entirely difficult either and it would do so much of a service too the story.