Is Luminous Productions working on a new IP? I believe EP Ardyn is the last Final Fantasy related item on their docket.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/932981-final-fantasy-xv/77605402/919889613
gamefaqs can be useful sometimes you know.
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never noticed up until now, but while one of the wings is normal, the other is a skeleton.
though unlikely, one could well represent Somnus (noble, divinity) and the skeleton Ardyn (death, darkness), since they both represent Lucis origins, hence why the wings are tied to the Lucis emblem.
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gamefaqs can be useful sometimes you know.
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never noticed up until now, but while one of the wings is normal, the other is a skeleton.
though unlikely, one could well represent Somnus (noble, divinity) and the skeleton Ardyn (death, darkness), since they both represent Lucis origins, hence why the wings are tied to the Lucis emblem.
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So basically... Terada had already tried messing everything up but the stuff that caused issues was simply left out of the original game? That's... interesting.
Come to think of it, Terada saying that he gave his ideas about Ardyn's backstory while helping with the main game's development doesn't necessarily mean that said concepts were always canon. It just means that he brought back unused concepts rather than inventing new ones for the DLC.
Come to think of it, Terada saying that he gave his ideas about Ardyn's backstory while helping with the main game's development doesn't necessarily mean that said concepts were always canon. It just means that he brought back unused concepts rather than inventing new ones for the DLC.
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Seems to be that way, and the Gamefaqs user who made the topic where you found that posted said the DLC ruined the game for him, but I respectfully disagree with that, though I do respect his opinion let's make that clear, the Episode Ardyn DLC, as well as the anime for it, gave a level of depth to FFXV's story and even deepened it for me, and it makes the story even more tragic and dark in my opinion. But all and all, it was interesting to hear some of Terada's ideas.
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the gods and crystal betraying Ardyn is not new information, it was the entire reason Ardyn did what he did lol and a part of the fandom even had suspicions about Bahamuts involvement.
they betrayed Ardyn expectations, in his perspective, they discarded him in favor of an evil person; they fooled him into becoming a sacrificial lamb, while losing his life, honor and loved one in the process.
they betrayed Ardyn expectations, in his perspective, they discarded him in favor of an evil person; they fooled him into becoming a sacrificial lamb, while losing his life, honor and loved one in the process.
The original game never said one way or another whether Ardyn was punished for doing what he was told to do or whether he was punished for misusing his powers somehow.
In the absence of any evidence to the contrary (and heavy implications from Bahamut in support), it made far more sense to assume that Ardyn was responsible for his own rejection by the Crystal. Prior to Episode Ardyn, the only reason to support Ardyn over Bahamut was a personal resistance towards the concept of a divine destiny. And, given that Bahamut is always treated as an ally rather than an adversary in the game, flipping that on its head actually causes significant problems with assumptions necessary for the game's conclusion to function properly (as is demonstrated quite well by the fact that the players who cut against the grain to see Bahamut as a coldhearted schemer found their inability to take Bahamut down to be a source of frustration).
In the absence of any evidence to the contrary (and heavy implications from Bahamut in support), it made far more sense to assume that Ardyn was responsible for his own rejection by the Crystal. Prior to Episode Ardyn, the only reason to support Ardyn over Bahamut was a personal resistance towards the concept of a divine destiny. And, given that Bahamut is always treated as an ally rather than an adversary in the game, flipping that on its head actually causes significant problems with assumptions necessary for the game's conclusion to function properly (as is demonstrated quite well by the fact that the players who cut against the grain to see Bahamut as a coldhearted schemer found their inability to take Bahamut down to be a source of frustration).
I'm neutral about this, regardless of why the pitched concept didn't show up in the main game upon release, it doesn't 100% conclude that it was never planned to be part of the canon narrative at one point.
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True... but with a game like FFXV, there are a lot of things that were planned to be part of the canon narrative at one point that no longer play well with the canon of the game as released. For example, based on the datamine, a plan to allow the player to choose whether Noct would become a king, stay a human, or become a god managed to install itself deeply enough into the planned canon narrative to leave traces of its existence within the final game.
Come to think of it, Terada's plan for Ardyn to have been betrayed by the Astrals could very well have been a casualty of the same rewrite that left said player choice on the cutting room floor. Without the option to defy the destiny proposed by Bahamut, turning the villain of the game into the victim of the deity who the player must obey is counterproductive. And then, when given the opportunity to reinstate player choice by creating an alternate finale, the plan for Ardyn was resurrected to serve its original function.
Come to think of it, Terada's plan for Ardyn to have been betrayed by the Astrals could very well have been a casualty of the same rewrite that left said player choice on the cutting room floor. Without the option to defy the destiny proposed by Bahamut, turning the villain of the game into the victim of the deity who the player must obey is counterproductive. And then, when given the opportunity to reinstate player choice by creating an alternate finale, the plan for Ardyn was resurrected to serve its original function.
I'm convinced. The "Happy Ending" would've been a false peace and the Crystal/Astrals still would have ultimately won in the end no matter what. That latest post is pushing me in that direction.
I really need the novel to come out.
I really need the novel to come out.
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Ardyn being a sympathetic villain was probably always the plan, no matter how many times the story could've changed I figure he was always going to be a guy that was screwed over by the Gods. Maybe when the game was still tied to FNC, Ardyn would've been a l'cie punished by the Crystal for trying to fight against it's will and was cursed with immortality or something horrible.
On a side note, it's weird that they put Ardyn in his modern clothes here when Episode Ardyn shows he didn't get that outfit until about 2000 years after?
On a side note, it's weird that they put Ardyn in his modern clothes here when Episode Ardyn shows he didn't get that outfit until about 2000 years after?
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It's kind of confusing actually. Ardyn seems to absorb the scourge while Luna's power seems to be different, the reason her body was failing her was because of the covenants she had to forge with the Astrals I think, not because she absorbed the plague like Ardyn. And Aera was an Oracle but she was never shown to have the healing powers. I guess the Gods can just bestow it on people? Maybe they changed the healing methods after what happened to Ardyn? More questions...
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I guess they didnt bother and just used modern designs, you can even see that the city looks like Lestallum.
a shame we got nothing about that black chocobo.
a shame we got nothing about that black chocobo.
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I mean, I prefer the look he had in the anime because the fedora outfit isn't really befitting of an ancient healer, it just kind of throws a wrench in the works because they used the concept art in the Episode Ignis flashbacks like it was canon or something. But it probably wasn't meant to be taken as fact, history was obscured a lot in Eos, like the cosmogony.
And as for the healing thing, I can guess that after Ardyn, Bahamut advised the Oracles not to absorb the scourge, or maybe they fine-tuned the method to avoid another incident like that. Ardyn could've basically just been beta testing for all of the Oracles that came after him.
And as for the healing thing, I can guess that after Ardyn, Bahamut advised the Oracles not to absorb the scourge, or maybe they fine-tuned the method to avoid another incident like that. Ardyn could've basically just been beta testing for all of the Oracles that came after him.
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