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SonOfEtro

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Is this their way of bringing Etro back because from what we have known, back in the Versus days Etro was never seen, just heard.

It was Ardyn’s mission to wake her up to kill her with the crystal, revenge for having been rejected from Godhood.
That bit about Etro and Ardyn is based on posts from 4Chan that haven't been substantiated. We don't know anything about what the original story of Versus was to have been with any certainty. Not without the devs actually saying something about the draft.

From what we know from the developers, Etro was the patron goddess of Lucis and opens the gate to the Unseen Realm to allow the dead passage. With the convenient side effect that those who can see the "light of expiring souls" are granted special powers. And direct reference to Etro was one of the elements the team phased out when the scenario was reevaluated.

I think that concept art is more along the lines of the logo being used as inspiration. The logo was originally intended as "the most important goddess" in XV's world, then explicitly made to be Lunafreya.
 
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Vallen

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I recall reading in those rumors that there were 4 crystals, one in each nation, and the God that resided in each crystal was worshiped in that nation. Since the other 3-crystals were lost, Lucis was the final nation to have a crystal. Since Etro was related to death, Insomnia had tons of art and sculptures of skulls/skeletons - but from what we've seen in concept art and datamined content she was never shown beyond the logo. It's always reapers that were depicted.
 
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SonOfEtro

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Seriously don't understand why they find Lunafreya so important that they feature her in so many spin-off things... I mean, she's hardly there in the main narrative. Not that she isn't a strong heroine (which she is, in a non-standard way), but she's just not there. Just look at the above promo image; from that, I'd have said she's a recurring supporting character who gets at least half the amount of screentime the main party does. But nope, she gets somewhere under two hours proper screentime, and that's including all additional media and DLC patches.

Fingers crossed they have a non-damsel visible and active heroine in FFXVI.
 
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I recall reading in those rumors that there were 4 crystals, one in each nation, and the God that resided in each crystal was worshiped in that nation. Since the other 3-crystals were lost, Lucis was the final nation to have a crystal. Since Etro was related to death, Insomnia had tons of art and sculptures of skulls/skeletons - but from what we've seen in concept art and datamined content she was never shown beyond the logo. It's always reapers that were depicted.
Speaking of Crystals and patron deities, Ravus having a wolf on his arm always interested me, maybe at one point Fenrir was going to be in the story, a symbol of Tenebrae or an "Eidolon" that Ravus could use, he is kind of a lone wolf character isn't he? A foil to Noctis but if he had no friends. I don't get why they removed the wolf from Ravus' arm though, but it's still present in the Pocket Edition Ravus design, weird. I remember hearing there was something in the game files about a Lupus and Stella, so maybe that was his name early in development.

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Luna was a one trick pony, but a pony that knows how to strut!
I liked her VA, it's a shame we won't hear her recordings for Episode Luna. Some more material would've really helped. I don't know if they can get Amy Shiels to do a reading of her lines in DotF at a convention in the future, like when Ray Chase and co read the Parting Ways prologue.
 

Vallen

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Seriously don't understand why they find Lunafreya so important that they feature her in so many spin-off things... I mean, she's hardly there in the main narrative...But nope, she gets somewhere under two hours proper screentime, and that's including all additional media and DLC patches.
whoa 2 hours! I wish!! More like 15-20minutes altogether with the DLC and all lol
 
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Seriously don't understand why they find Lunafreya so important that they feature her in so many spin-off things... I mean, she's hardly there in the main narrative. Not that she isn't a strong heroine (which she is, in a non-standard way), but she's just not there. Just look at the above promo image; from that, I'd have said she's a recurring supporting character who gets at least half the amount of screentime the main party does. But nope, she gets somewhere under two hours proper screentime, and that's including all additional media and DLC patches.

Fingers crossed they have a non-damsel visible and active heroine in FFXVI.
FF gatcha games have everything from main FF characters to supporting characters to random side characters, even Kenny Crow is in Brave Exvius, it's also not like they are putting Luna in before anyone else, practically every XV main and supporting character made it into FFRK and FFBE like over a year before they finally put Luna into both of them this year, even Gentiana made it into BE way earlier, hell even Nyx, Crowe, Libertus and Glauca too. I also don't really get kind of thinking, it's like saying why is Zelda important in a Zelda game, since Luna's role in XV is essentially fulfilling that same kind of role, and Luna on average has more screentime than your average Zelda too. It's also not like Luna ever asked for or needed help, she was doing the duties she herself wanted to do no matter the cost, even if it be her life, that doesn't make her a weak damsel type.

whoa 2 hours! I wish!! More like 15-20minutes altogether with the DLC and all lol
She's in 1/3 to1/2 of Kingsglaive's 1 hour 55 minute (1 hour 46 minute minus credit) runtime, which is at least 40 minutes of screentime for her in Kingsglaive, she also has at least 40 minutes of screentime in main XV not counting any DLC, added scenes or external other media. You know people generally exaggerated things like screentime as if more screentime means more important or something, like Yuffie and Vincent both have screentime in FF7 but they are completely irrelevant to the actual main story and that is why they are entirely optional characters that won't even impact it, they could not even be there and nothing would really change, even besides that if you actually combine all the actual story screentime some characters have it's far less than you'd think, like in Star Wars for example did you know Darth Vader only had 9 minutes of screentime in Episode IV, 15 minutes in Episode V and 15 minutes in Episode VI?
 
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Speaking of Crystals and patron deities, Ravus having a wolf on his arm always interested me, maybe at one point Fenrir was going to be in the story, a symbol of Tenebrae or an "Eidolon" that Ravus could use, he is kind of a lone wolf character isn't he? A foil to Noctis but if he had no friends. I don't get why they removed the wolf from Ravus' arm though, but it's still present in the Pocket Edition Ravus design, weird. I remember hearing there was something in the game files about a Lupus and Stella, so maybe that was his name early in development.

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I think the Lupus being his original name is true and that was why he originally had the wolf on his arm, it also originally wasn't something he lost during the invasion, as in the 2013 CG scene of him he already has it when inside the peace treaty meeting room.


I think originally people in the Niflheim empire just had metal arm pieces on as part of their attire, Gentiana's original outfit also had one, and the blonde guy we assume to be Sapphirus/Safay Roth also had one.




Though interesting enough he still had the wolf on it in this artwork with Luna and him.


There was also this Kingsglaive previs where his model had the metal arm with the wolf on it while in the final he had his regular arm, I don't think his metal arm was originally meant to be a Magitek prosthetic, I think it was originally just a metal arm guard he was wearing over his regular arm, same as what Gentiana was doing in her old outfit and what the blonde guy had too, unless all three of them originally always had prosthetic Magitek arms.


 
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FFChocobo18

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The Cutting Room Floor also had these unused missions on their FFXV page on the text subpage.:

A Scene Out of Time
The Journey Begins
A Powerful Ally
The Open World
Living Legend: Tremors
Living Legend: Storm Clouds
The Dragoon Descends
Imperial Conscripts
Wind Fills the Sails
A Long-awaited Reunion
Road to a New Land
A World of Sand and Snow
Battle on the Train
In the Light of the Crystal
The Last Journey
End of the Road
The Trial of Bahamut
 
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I think the Lupus being his original name is true and that was why he originally had the wolf on his arm, it also originally wasn't something he lost during the invasion, as in the 2013 CG scene of him he already has it when inside the peace treaty meeting room.


I think originally people in the Niflheim empire just had metal arm pieces on as part of their attire, Gentiana's original outfit also had one, and the blonde guy we assume to be Sapphirus/Safay Roth also had one.




Though interesting enough he still had the wolf on it in this artwork with Luna and him.


There was also this Kingsglaive previs where his model had the metal arm with the wolf on it while in the final he had his regular arm, I don't think his metal arm was originally meant to be a Magitek prosthetic, I think it was originally just a metal arm guard he was wearing over his regular arm, same as what Gentiana was doing in her old outfit and what the blonde guy had too, unless all three of them originally always had prosthetic Magitek arms.


Looks like Ravus' prosthetic arm started out as a piece of his actual uniform that certain members of Niflheim wear. You can see them on Gentiana as well, though I think she was described as a contact point between Lucis and the Empire by one of the artists discussing her early role, like an ambassador/diplomat maybe. And yeah the Sapphirus guy who was another imperial commander by the looks of things had one too.

In that case it's possible the wolf was Ravus customizing his armor, maybe he'd earned some kind of title or nickname on the battlefield like Aranea, but putting it on his prosthetic after Kingsglaive would look a bit random so they removed it then.
 

Vallen

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She's in 1/3 to1/2 of Kingsglaive's 1 hour 55 minute (1 hour 46 minute minus credit) runtime, which is at least 40 minutes of screentime for her in Kingsglaive, she also has at least 40 minutes of screentime in main XV not counting any DLC, added scenes or external other media.
1. Kingsglaive does not equal FFXV (most people who played the game didn't watch it). Plus her appearance, voice, and behavior is quite disconnected in that film from the game - it's almost like a different character.

2. Taking away childhood flashbacks, she appears at the start to meet Gentiana and the dogs (2 minute scene or so?), then she has a missable scene when Noct listens to the radio (2min or so?), we see her looking at her wedding dress (1min?) then she has the talk with Hillary (4min?), then the speech in Altissia (5min?), then the ritual (of which her screentime is 10min if we're pushing it), and then the CG scene (3min?), then the flashbacks with Ravus and with the field and Gentiana (4min combined?), and lastly the ending of her with Noct (1min?). Throw in EP Iggy with her lying dead for 2min and the Royal edition with her appearing to do the summon of the astrals (1min). Fine she appears dead to Noct without saying anything on the train for 15seconds and she stares out of the window in Altissia for another 15seconds.

That's what like 35minutes or so? But lets not forget she has no independent scenes, they're shared with Gentiana, Ravus, Iggy, Hillary, Ardyn, Leviathan, the Dress, and the Astrals. Cut away at least 7-10 minutes of the other characters speaking in those scenes and you get what 28minutes? The average "FFXV RE movie" on YouTube, which is just all the scenes, is like 6hours. Throw an extra hour on top for all the cutscenes in the DLCs and we get 7hours = 420minutes.

28/420 = 6.67% This is only proportionate to the cutscenes in the game

If we compare the 7 hours of cutscnes to how long it takes people to beat FFXV RE, 25hours accord to howlongtobeat.com, the cutscenes make up 28% of the game, lets say a quarter roughly speaking. 6.67% of a quarter is 1.68. So Luna's screentime in the whole game is 1.68%.

I know these are rough estimates as I didn't go and time each scene exactly, but even if you double that time it's still under 5% of the entire FFXV experience, that's quite sad all things considered. Plus it's not like she's written so well that every second of her on screen is pure gold.
 

SonOfEtro

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FF gatcha games have everything from main FF characters to supporting characters to random side characters, even Kenny Crow is in Brave Exvius, it's also not like they are putting Luna in before anyone else, practically every XV main and supporting character made it into FFRK and FFBE like over a year before they finally put Luna into both of them this year, even Gentiana made it into BE way earlier, hell even Nyx, Crowe, Libertus and Glauca too. I also don't really get kind of thinking, it's like saying why is Zelda important in a Zelda game, since Luna's role in XV is essentially fulfilling that same kind of role, and Luna on average has more screentime than your average Zelda too. It's also not like Luna ever asked for or needed help, she was doing the duties she herself wanted to do no matter the cost, even if it be her life, that doesn't make her a weak damsel type.
I stand corrected. I was hasty in my use of the word "damsel". I just felt a little... I don't know, betrayed. After so much positive stuff.from the devs, I thought they would at least show more from her POV as, maybe optional cutscenes. Oh well, it was their artistic choice. And they didn't technically lie.

Sort of reminds me of Yoko Taro's original plan for Furiae in Drakengard. Oodles of build-up, then she gets killed when we first meet her in person, before she even gets a chance to speak. Mind you, Drakengard's a genre deconstruction. And I think the way they handled it eventually was a better deconstruction.
 
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Kingsglaive does not equal FFXV (most people who played the game didn't watch it). Plus her appearance, voice, and behavior is quite disconnected in that film from the game - it's almost like a different character.
Kingsglaive is canon to XV, downplay it all you want, I really don't care, it is canon and it counts as screentime for her in regards to the overall story, and despite everyone in Kingsglaive looking different to how they look in the game besides Regis, what you just said is a complete non argument that is irrelevant to anything you are actually trying to say, who Luna is and what she's doing in KG falls completely in line with what she's doing and how she acts in XV, she isn't afraid of death and puts herself into dangerous situations in both, the game mentions she was in Insomnia while her Oracle duties were put on hold, and the movie shows what she did in Insomnia during that time, her backstory with Noct is literally identical and reflected in every canon piece of XV that pertains to their childhood. Trying to say "b-but she looks different" is such a non argument that has no relevance to the concept of actual screentime, it's a non-sequitur.

Taking away childhood flashbacks,
Why would you do that when it's both important story screentime and important exposition? They all add up in the grand scheme of things, you're really trying too hard to downplay her involvement like this.

she appears at the start to meet Gentiana and the dogs
Which counts as screentime, which is the first time we see her alive after it was announced she is dead on the news, which both informs the player that she isn't dead, while also showing that she has the Ring of the Lucii, which is important for multiple reasons.

then she has a missable scene when Noct listens to the radio
I'm not sure why people keep saying this is missable, it happened automatically when I played it and in every playthrough I've seen I havn't seen anyone miss it either, it happens automatically after the dialog on the radio ends which happens automatically as soon as you wake up after sleeping at the gas station with Ardyn, not only that but the radio report itself is expository dialogue regarding Luna's past and the scene then shows her perform her Oracle duties, which is important to get a sense of her character moreso.

we see her looking at her wedding dress
This scene happens in Chapter 12 after the 1st Ravus flashback, in Chapter 7 you see Luna with Umbra in Altissia showing that she has made it to Altissia.

then she has the talk with Hillary, then the speech in Altissia (5min?)
Which are both important scene's no matter how much you try to downplay it.

and then the CG scene
then the flashbacks with Ravus and with the field and Gentiana
and lastly the ending of her with Noct
So all in all her screentime amasses to around 40 minutes for just base XV, like I said, which for some reason you can't seem to deal with that fact and had to try and ignore entire scene's just to come to the number of it being 35 minutes of screentime, like, what? You aren't even proving anything in your favour by doing that?

Did you even read a single thing I said earlier about screentime? Do you think that screentime alone is what makes a character important or not? Like I said earlier Darth Vader only has 9 minutes of screentime in Star Wars episode IV, his debut appearance, and only 15 in Episode V and 15 in Episode VI, that is accumulated from various small scenes of 1 minute or less here and there through the movie, like what is your point exactly? Do you even know what it is you're trying to argue regarding screentime? Did you know Thanos only has 12 minutes of screentime in Endgame? Do you even know anything about story writing? You know a character can have literally 0 screentime and still be a super important and major character?

But lets not forget she has no independent scenes
LMAO what? So what? Who cares? Why would that matter towards anything? What are you even trying to say? So screentime now only matters if it is just the one character and no one else? What kind of goalpost moving is this?
Cut away at least 7-10 minutes of the other characters speaking in those scenes and you get what 28minutes?
LMAO "i-if you remove all context from the scenes and anyone she interacts with and only count her spoken lines then it's even less screentime!?", this absolute desperate reach is hilarious and one of the best examples of a non argument I've ever seen you make.

28/420 = 6.67% This is only proportionate to the cutscenes in the game
Remind me to never let you do math ever again, especially when your entire basis is using faulty numbers that have no merit to any argument that could possibly support you. Not only are you basing things on arbitrary things like how long someones movie version on Youtube is, which differs from 3 hours to 7 hours, you are also trying to use how long to beat which includes things outside of cutscenes into the play time count and doesn't take into account things such as cutscene skipping.

I know these are rough estimates
Try completely wrong on all accounts?
 

Vallen

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Kingsglaive is canon to XV, downplay it all you want, I really don't care, it is canon and it counts as screentime for her in regards to the overall story, and despite everyone in Kingsglaive looking different to how they look in the game besides Regis, what you just said is a complete non argument that is irrelevant to anything you are actually trying to say, who Luna is and what she's doing in KG falls completely in line with what she's doing and how she acts in XV, she isn't afraid of death and puts herself into dangerous situations in both, the game mentions she was in Insomnia while her Oracle duties were put on hold, and the movie shows what she did in Insomnia during that time, her backstory with Noct is literally identical and reflected in every canon piece of XV that pertains to their childhood. Trying to say "b-but she looks different" is such a non argument that has no relevance to the concept of actual screentime, it's a non-sequitur.
1. I never said kingsglaive is not canon, don't put words in my mouth.
2. Her not looking like in XV was to my point that the movie feels disjointed from the game, not that it's not canon, so try again.
3. Stop living in denial, kingsglaive screentime does not equal FFXV the game screentime.

Why would you do that when it's both important story screentime and important exposition? They all add up in the grand scheme of things, you're really trying too hard to downplay her involvement like this.
Because I didn't bother looking up the same scene of her and Noct reading book in their childhood, but I mitigated that in my conclusion by stating that even if you double all her time, it's still practically non existent. Learn to read.

Which are both important scene's no matter how much you try to downplay it.
Are you on the same page as us or did you get lost? I summarized all her scenes in the game, I said nothing about their significance, no shit her speech in Altissia is important... why are you trying to explain the significance of her every scene when their significance was not questioned in the first place?

So all in all her screentime amasses to around 40 minutes for just base XV, like I said, which for some reason you can't seem to deal with that fact and had to try and ignore entire scene's just to come to the number of it being 35 minutes of screentime, like, what? You aren't even proving anything in your favour by doing that?
And as I said, when you factors other characters in those scenes her actual screentime, just hers, is less than that. It's hilarious how hard you're trying to white knight her non-existent screentime and her poor writing as a character.

Did you even read a single thing I said earlier about screentime? Do you think that screentime alone is what makes a character important or not? Like I said earlier Darth Vader only has 9 minutes of screentime in Star Wars episode IV or less here and there through the movie, like what is your point exactly? Do you even know what it is you're trying to argue regarding screentime? Did you know Thanos only has 12 minutes of screentime in Endgame? Do you even know anything about story writing? You know a character can have literally 0 screentime and still be a super important and major character?
1. Well in Luna's case her screentime is pathetic and her character and importance is even less so.
2. As for the second half of whatever you wrote here, I can't take it seriously without picturing you slamming your head against the keybord screaming at the screen. And did you know anyone would laugh at you trying to argue Luna as a character is as well written as Vader or Thanos?

LMAO what? So what? Who cares? Why would that matter towards anything? What are you even trying to say? So screentime now only matters if it is just the one character and no one else? What kind of goalpost moving is this?
LMAO "i-if you remove all context from the scenes and anyone she interacts with and only count her spoken lines then it's even less screentime!?", this absolute desperate reach is hilarious and one of the best examples of a non argument I've ever seen you make.
Remind me to never let you do math ever again, especially when your entire basis is using faulty numbers that have no merit to any argument that could possibly support you. Not only are you basing things on arbitrary things like how long someones movie version on Youtube is, which differs from 3 hours to 7 hours, you are also trying to use how long to beat which includes things outside of cutscenes into the play time count and doesn't take into account things such as cutscene skipping.
Try completely wrong on all accounts?
You're wrong, I used averages, as I specified. Re read when you're not angry and try again after having a Kit Kat.
 
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