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ash

PSICOM Soldier
Feb 18, 2018
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I didn`t mean to provoke such strong emotions from you (deducing from the overtly-long-sream-of-though sentences), I don`t want to argue - it`s just I simply can have another point of view.

1:31, if you can`t hear Somnus, they I`m afraid I can`t help you.

I`m not saying we`re getting VersusXIII, Verum Rex or anything specifically, because I don`t work at SE, but clearly they left the (lore) back door open for a reason.
That`s all I`m saying. And instead of throwing sh*t at eachother telling how some *hypothetical* game would be more or less than XV to Vs. let`s just patiently wait and see. I`m sure we`re in for a treat.


Now back to DotF, reading the spoilers, MAN were they ambitious if they really wanted to implement all of that in the DLCs?!
MY EYES. Why are there Kingdom Hearts spoilers in a FF thread? I haven't finished that game yet.. Please use spoiler tags X_X
 
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ash

PSICOM Soldier
Feb 18, 2018
82
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Ooookay folks. Ginormous spoilers for the Luna and Noctis chapters. This is a rough bullet point summary, with a little interpretation following from me. Please don't treat it as the definitive version. If you don't want to be spoiled, or are waiting for a different summary, don't look!
EP Luna;

*Luna wakes up in an underground tomb after her death in Altissia following the ten year timeskip. Reaching the surface, she's forced to run from a Deathgaze Daemon. She runs into Solaria and a hunter group, and they try to escape. The Deathgaze catches up, and the two are forced to fight; Sol is experienced, and Luna is forced to use a spear Sol is carrying. She is attacked by Deathgaze, but it is weakened, and when it grabs her, it disintegrates and leaves her arm marked. The hunters, including Sol, are wary of her both because her wounds heal abormaliy fast, and they don't believe she's Luna as...well, Luna's been dead ten years.
*Luna is surprised by the world's state, being taken to a temporary base where she meets Cindy. Umbra also appears and has a joyful reunion with Luna, but when she tries sending a message to Noctis Umbra resists. Noctis is safe, but currently unreachable. Luna decides to keep a note of her journey. The next bit's a little fuzzy, but she seems to help Sol with repairing their vehicle, showing she has knowledge beyond her role as the Oracle as well as martial skills.
*Luna is visited by Bahamut in a dream. The narration says that Bahamut is different from the other Astrals; while the other five are tied to the world of Eos and intimate with humanity, Bahamut is a celestial being who eclipses both humans and the other Astrals in power. He tells Luna her task is unfinished, and shows her a vision of Noctis's sacrificial death using the Ring. However, this was the original course of events; Ardyn's rampage through Insomnia with Ifrit and refusal to follow his destined path means the Ring now isn't enough to purge Eos of the scourge. Luna must now travel to defeat Ardyn herself; Bahamut resurrected her and gave her the power she now possesses to destroy Daemons for this purpose. Luna's puzzled, but as this new fate may save Noctis's life, she's ready to follow Bahamut's lead.
*Luna tells Sol about her mission, and while initially sceptical Sol agrees to take Luna to Lestallum for the time being. During their talk, Sol asks Luna about her harsh training as the Oracle. While Sol can't understand Luna's dogged response that it's the will of the Six, Luna can't understand Sol's belief that such duties should be fun and rewarding to perform as she's never asked for anything in return for her magic. They then get a call from Biggs; the ruins Luna was in were from the age of Solheim, which holds a powerful Daemon called Sapphire Weapon. Sol decides to investigate, and gives Luna some new and easier-to-wear black clothes. Sol and Luna have another argument, this time about whether it's right to follow the Gods' will above her own. Luna reflects that she's seen a large amount of suffering and death in Niflheim due to people blindly following someone else's decrees, and begins questioning her own autonomy. As she accompanies Sol to the ruins, she absorbs Daemons she defeats, getting increasing numbers of black marks on her skin. Sol then asks Luna's personal wish; it's to laugh with Noctis. Sol pretty much says she should make that wish come true.
*Aranea is trapped in the ruins with Sapphire Weapon; Sol is ordered to seal the ruins with Aranea inside. Luna insists on going in and absorbing Sapphire Weapon, even though her body's reaching its limit. While Luna knows Sol's family history from their talks, and knows Nilfheim killed her mother, that doesn't apply here. She's helping a girl named Sol save her mother Aranea. And that's Luna's choice. Turns out Luna trained in the ruins long ago, and knows a secret backdoor inside. As they enter, they discover a statue of Aera Mirus Fleuret. Aera's spirit speaks to Luna, showing Ardyn's past and the truth of the Oracle's power; a derivative of Ardyn's power to absorb and heal those touched by the Scourge. Luna's shocked by the revelation as she only used her power to wipe away the scourge rather than absorb it, and Aera ends with an appeal to save Ardyn.
*Broadly speaking, the mission's a success and Luna absorbs Sapphire Weapon. But then they find out the truth; Aranea was infected with the Scourge, and ordered the ruins sealed before she turned. Using Aera's vision as reference, Luna embraces Aranea and absorbs the Scourge. But this finally transforms Luna into a Daemon version of herself, which Aranea begins to attack. Luna retains her sentience and will, and Sol manages to stop Aranea. Luna is detained and imprisoned in Lestallum. There, Luna's predicament is discussed by Gladio, Prompto and Ignis. They're astonished by Luna's return, and saddened by her current condition. As there seems no hope for her yet she retains her sense of self, they decide whether to grant her wish to travel to Insomnia
*During this time, Luna has another dream. This time, its Gentiana/Shiva, who warns her against Bahamut's direction. Bahamut gave her this power not specifically to defeat Ardyn, but to become a new host of the Starscourge, effectively turning into a goddess of darkness, to fulfil his own plan; the purging of humanity, using the combined powers of light (the ring and Crystal) and dark (the scourge as embodied in Luna) to trigger Terra Flare, basically Bahamut's ultimate world-purging power. To Bahamut, humans are like flowers in significance, having no individual value. When the Great War of Old broke out between humans and Ifrit, and then between the other Astrals, Bahamut became disgusted with the whole situation and saw the world as having fallen too far to be redeemed (explained in more detail in next chapter). He thought the other gods would use their powers to purge mankind, but they so exhausted themselves in the fighting as to prevent this. Shiva now wants Luna to thwart Bahamut.
*Determined to help Luna, Sol plans to break her out. Aranea catches her in the act, but moved by Sol's appeal helps her rather than stops her outright. Luna and Sol barely escape as an alarm sounds. Luna travels alone on Sol's bike while Sol holds back the pursuers. Luna also entrusts Umbra with a last message to give to Noctis when he awakes. The chapter ends with Luna in the Lucian throne room, facing Ardyn, who is surprised by her appearance and her wish to talk rather than fight. Luna proposes that they cooperate in halting Bahamut's purge.


EP Noctis;

*Noctis is in the Crystal dreaming, seeing memories and flashbacks surrounding Ardyn and Somnus's pasts, Ardyn's actions, and Luna's death. Noctis wonders if he's no different from Somnus in the whole tragedy. Bahamut's urging him to think of nothing but his mission, but Noctis goes on remembering, this time Regis and how he was accused of pampering Noctis as a boy, of what happened with Ignis and Ravus in Altissia, Luna's pain and struggles during her own journey to prepare his way to the Astrals. He muses that he just wanted to live a normal life with Luna. Waking up on Angelgard, he recieves Luna's message via Umbra; to meet her at the Citadel. On the mainland, he meets Sol and learns of Luna's transformation. He considers that the gods offer no salvation for Daemons, and decides to save Luna no matter what.
*The scene changes to Luna. Despite his death playing right into Bahamut's hands, Ardyn refuses to listen to Luna's pleas and is about to attack, but Aera's soul speaks to him. He can't bring himself to kill Luna himself because he can't bear seeing Aera die in front of him again, but instead summons Ifrit to do it and leaves. In parallel to their battle, Noctis fights his way through Insomnia alone, defeating the possess Kings of Yore and hearing Somnus's plea to save Ardyn as he has lived in regret for two millennia. Now he knows what he knows, Noctis curses Bahamut for leading them to this point, as it was Ardyn's powers to absorb the Scourge that led him to this path. Meanwhile Luna uses her power to purify Ifrit. Speaking to Ardyn as she does this, she reveals her plan; to trick Bahamut into appearing to unleash Terra Flare, then he can be weakened to the point that he can be killed. Luna asks for a Covenant and Ifrit agrees as Bahamut's now a threat to Eos, causing Luna to collapse from the strain of overusing her powers.
*Noctis enters and sees Luna, who loses her sense of self even as she speaks with Noctis. If he doesn't attack her, Bahamut will. Noctis's role as the True King is eliminate darkness from the world. This next bit's a little fuzzy, but it reads like humanity has no divine protection because of the darkness within them that caused wars amongst the gods, and Luna has become the embodiment of that darkness.The threat Luna poses triggers Bahamut to raise the Citadel into the air in an effort to protect the Crystal. Duplicates of Bahamut (messengers maybe?) appear and begin attacking humanity. Noctis and Ardyn individually warp up to the Citadel, while Noctis's friends are drawn there while pursuing Noctis and end up there by accident alongside Aranea and Sol. Noctis sends Aranea and Sol to evacuate Lestallum, while Noctis goes with his companions to find Luna and Ardyn.
*Ardyn knows and relates Luna's plan, but is unwilling to participate. Basically it's a back-and-forth between Noctis and Ardyn. Noctis convinces Ardyn by appealing to his messianic desires, and gives him to Ring of the Lucii to use against Bahamut. Noctis also says that the only salvation he can offer Ardyn is true death, which using the Ring will provide. Ardyn reluctantly agrees.
*They divide into two fronts; Ardyn clears the way for Noctis to face the physical manifestation of Bahamut, who is using Luna's darkness to activate Terra Flare; while Ardyn himself goes into the other world and destroy's Bahamut's spiritual self. During the real world battle, Noctis is aided by the other five Astrals, but even their combined power won't stop Terra Flare, which will be many times more devastating than earlier great outbursts of power and potentially ravage all of Eos. Noctis shares his powers with the others, who unite in battling Luna - who is purged of the Scourge but being used as Bahamut's pawn as she begins unleashing the destruction of Terra Flare across Eos - while he faces Bahamut with the Astrals. Ardyn uses Providence to obliterate Bahamut's spiritual self and fades away, briefly hearing Aera's voice. At the same time, Bahamut's physical self is destroyed. With Bahamut's death, the Crystal and the Astrals, along with magic, begin to vanish. The Citadel crashes back to earth, but Noctis, Luna and his companions are saved by Titan. In her final moment, Gentiana heals and revives Luna, wishing her a happy life. A bright light appears in the following calm; not Terra Flare, but the dawn.
*The scene shifts forward. The Starscourge is gone. Insomnia is in ruins, but as magic is gone from the world and the power of kings has lost meaning, people are seeing it as a memorial to the past time of kings. Lestallum was mostly spared due to the evacuation, and the power plant is undamaged. The Nilfheim continent has become fertile once again, either due to Shiva's power vanishing or Terra Flare not impacting it mush, and it's set to become a bread basket. Tenebrae wasn't much damaged, and the royal palace is being rebuilt. Altissia has been rebuilt, and it's there that Noctis and Lunafreya are finally married.

And that's it. In a strange way it's like a fever dream. But it also feels strangely in line with the lore as built up within XV on a surface level, and the added layers they created using the pre-Ardyn DLC. This was a very, very long post, and I've certainly missed out key minor details that will prove essential to understanding some pieces. Also, is it me or does a lot of the stuff that happens in this novel as a whole sound very....FNC-ish? Otherwise....that's it. I'm now seriously looking forward to reading the entire thing in English. IT LOOKS EPIC!
While this sounds really epic, I'm so glad they cancelled Episode Luna and Noctis. To me, they sound like a disappointment as they don't intend to remedy to supplement the main narrative in the game. I'm disappointed they went down this path, and I can see why they decided to abandon this rather ambitious project. Episode Aranea, though, would have been pretty cool.

I'm basing my opinion on the fact that everything in Episode Luna is alternate timeline, of course.
 

Lord_Ham_Mork

SOLDIER Second Class
Feb 23, 2018
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Ooookay folks. Ginormous spoilers for the Luna and Noctis chapters. This is a rough bullet point summary, with a little interpretation following from me. Please don't treat it as the definitive version. If you don't want to be spoiled, or are waiting for a different summary, don't look!
EP Luna;

*Luna wakes up in an underground tomb after her death in Altissia following the ten year timeskip. Reaching the surface, she's forced to run from a Deathgaze Daemon. She runs into Solaria and a hunter group, and they try to escape. The Deathgaze catches up, and the two are forced to fight; Sol is experienced, and Luna is forced to use a spear Sol is carrying. She is attacked by Deathgaze, but it is weakened, and when it grabs her, it disintegrates and leaves her arm marked. The hunters, including Sol, are wary of her both because her wounds heal abormaliy fast, and they don't believe she's Luna as...well, Luna's been dead ten years.
*Luna is surprised by the world's state, being taken to a temporary base where she meets Cindy. Umbra also appears and has a joyful reunion with Luna, but when she tries sending a message to Noctis Umbra resists. Noctis is safe, but currently unreachable. Luna decides to keep a note of her journey. The next bit's a little fuzzy, but she seems to help Sol with repairing their vehicle, showing she has knowledge beyond her role as the Oracle as well as martial skills.
*Luna is visited by Bahamut in a dream. The narration says that Bahamut is different from the other Astrals; while the other five are tied to the world of Eos and intimate with humanity, Bahamut is a celestial being who eclipses both humans and the other Astrals in power. He tells Luna her task is unfinished, and shows her a vision of Noctis's sacrificial death using the Ring. However, this was the original course of events; Ardyn's rampage through Insomnia with Ifrit and refusal to follow his destined path means the Ring now isn't enough to purge Eos of the scourge. Luna must now travel to defeat Ardyn herself; Bahamut resurrected her and gave her the power she now possesses to destroy Daemons for this purpose. Luna's puzzled, but as this new fate may save Noctis's life, she's ready to follow Bahamut's lead.
*Luna tells Sol about her mission, and while initially sceptical Sol agrees to take Luna to Lestallum for the time being. During their talk, Sol asks Luna about her harsh training as the Oracle. While Sol can't understand Luna's dogged response that it's the will of the Six, Luna can't understand Sol's belief that such duties should be fun and rewarding to perform as she's never asked for anything in return for her magic. They then get a call from Biggs; the ruins Luna was in were from the age of Solheim, which holds a powerful Daemon called Sapphire Weapon. Sol decides to investigate, and gives Luna some new and easier-to-wear black clothes. Sol and Luna have another argument, this time about whether it's right to follow the Gods' will above her own. Luna reflects that she's seen a large amount of suffering and death in Niflheim due to people blindly following someone else's decrees, and begins questioning her own autonomy. As she accompanies Sol to the ruins, she absorbs Daemons she defeats, getting increasing numbers of black marks on her skin. Sol then asks Luna's personal wish; it's to laugh with Noctis. Sol pretty much says she should make that wish come true.
*Aranea is trapped in the ruins with Sapphire Weapon; Sol is ordered to seal the ruins with Aranea inside. Luna insists on going in and absorbing Sapphire Weapon, even though her body's reaching its limit. While Luna knows Sol's family history from their talks, and knows Nilfheim killed her mother, that doesn't apply here. She's helping a girl named Sol save her mother Aranea. And that's Luna's choice. Turns out Luna trained in the ruins long ago, and knows a secret backdoor inside. As they enter, they discover a statue of Aera Mirus Fleuret. Aera's spirit speaks to Luna, showing Ardyn's past and the truth of the Oracle's power; a derivative of Ardyn's power to absorb and heal those touched by the Scourge. Luna's shocked by the revelation as she only used her power to wipe away the scourge rather than absorb it, and Aera ends with an appeal to save Ardyn.
*Broadly speaking, the mission's a success and Luna absorbs Sapphire Weapon. But then they find out the truth; Aranea was infected with the Scourge, and ordered the ruins sealed before she turned. Using Aera's vision as reference, Luna embraces Aranea and absorbs the Scourge. But this finally transforms Luna into a Daemon version of herself, which Aranea begins to attack. Luna retains her sentience and will, and Sol manages to stop Aranea. Luna is detained and imprisoned in Lestallum. There, Luna's predicament is discussed by Gladio, Prompto and Ignis. They're astonished by Luna's return, and saddened by her current condition. As there seems no hope for her yet she retains her sense of self, they decide whether to grant her wish to travel to Insomnia
*During this time, Luna has another dream. This time, its Gentiana/Shiva, who warns her against Bahamut's direction. Bahamut gave her this power not specifically to defeat Ardyn, but to become a new host of the Starscourge, effectively turning into a goddess of darkness, to fulfil his own plan; the purging of humanity, using the combined powers of light (the ring and Crystal) and dark (the scourge as embodied in Luna) to trigger Terra Flare, basically Bahamut's ultimate world-purging power. To Bahamut, humans are like flowers in significance, having no individual value. When the Great War of Old broke out between humans and Ifrit, and then between the other Astrals, Bahamut became disgusted with the whole situation and saw the world as having fallen too far to be redeemed (explained in more detail in next chapter). He thought the other gods would use their powers to purge mankind, but they so exhausted themselves in the fighting as to prevent this. Shiva now wants Luna to thwart Bahamut.
*Determined to help Luna, Sol plans to break her out. Aranea catches her in the act, but moved by Sol's appeal helps her rather than stops her outright. Luna and Sol barely escape as an alarm sounds. Luna travels alone on Sol's bike while Sol holds back the pursuers. Luna also entrusts Umbra with a last message to give to Noctis when he awakes. The chapter ends with Luna in the Lucian throne room, facing Ardyn, who is surprised by her appearance and her wish to talk rather than fight. Luna proposes that they cooperate in halting Bahamut's purge.


EP Noctis;

*Noctis is in the Crystal dreaming, seeing memories and flashbacks surrounding Ardyn and Somnus's pasts, Ardyn's actions, and Luna's death. Noctis wonders if he's no different from Somnus in the whole tragedy. Bahamut's urging him to think of nothing but his mission, but Noctis goes on remembering, this time Regis and how he was accused of pampering Noctis as a boy, of what happened with Ignis and Ravus in Altissia, Luna's pain and struggles during her own journey to prepare his way to the Astrals. He muses that he just wanted to live a normal life with Luna. Waking up on Angelgard, he recieves Luna's message via Umbra; to meet her at the Citadel. On the mainland, he meets Sol and learns of Luna's transformation. He considers that the gods offer no salvation for Daemons, and decides to save Luna no matter what.
*The scene changes to Luna. Despite his death playing right into Bahamut's hands, Ardyn refuses to listen to Luna's pleas and is about to attack, but Aera's soul speaks to him. He can't bring himself to kill Luna himself because he can't bear seeing Aera die in front of him again, but instead summons Ifrit to do it and leaves. In parallel to their battle, Noctis fights his way through Insomnia alone, defeating the possess Kings of Yore and hearing Somnus's plea to save Ardyn as he has lived in regret for two millennia. Now he knows what he knows, Noctis curses Bahamut for leading them to this point, as it was Ardyn's powers to absorb the Scourge that led him to this path. Meanwhile Luna uses her power to purify Ifrit. Speaking to Ardyn as she does this, she reveals her plan; to trick Bahamut into appearing to unleash Terra Flare, then he can be weakened to the point that he can be killed. Luna asks for a Covenant and Ifrit agrees as Bahamut's now a threat to Eos, causing Luna to collapse from the strain of overusing her powers.
*Noctis enters and sees Luna, who loses her sense of self even as she speaks with Noctis. If he doesn't attack her, Bahamut will. Noctis's role as the True King is eliminate darkness from the world. This next bit's a little fuzzy, but it reads like humanity has no divine protection because of the darkness within them that caused wars amongst the gods, and Luna has become the embodiment of that darkness.The threat Luna poses triggers Bahamut to raise the Citadel into the air in an effort to protect the Crystal. Duplicates of Bahamut (messengers maybe?) appear and begin attacking humanity. Noctis and Ardyn individually warp up to the Citadel, while Noctis's friends are drawn there while pursuing Noctis and end up there by accident alongside Aranea and Sol. Noctis sends Aranea and Sol to evacuate Lestallum, while Noctis goes with his companions to find Luna and Ardyn.
*Ardyn knows and relates Luna's plan, but is unwilling to participate. Basically it's a back-and-forth between Noctis and Ardyn. Noctis convinces Ardyn by appealing to his messianic desires, and gives him to Ring of the Lucii to use against Bahamut. Noctis also says that the only salvation he can offer Ardyn is true death, which using the Ring will provide. Ardyn reluctantly agrees.
*They divide into two fronts; Ardyn clears the way for Noctis to face the physical manifestation of Bahamut, who is using Luna's darkness to activate Terra Flare; while Ardyn himself goes into the other world and destroy's Bahamut's spiritual self. During the real world battle, Noctis is aided by the other five Astrals, but even their combined power won't stop Terra Flare, which will be many times more devastating than earlier great outbursts of power and potentially ravage all of Eos. Noctis shares his powers with the others, who unite in battling Luna - who is purged of the Scourge but being used as Bahamut's pawn as she begins unleashing the destruction of Terra Flare across Eos - while he faces Bahamut with the Astrals. Ardyn uses Providence to obliterate Bahamut's spiritual self and fades away, briefly hearing Aera's voice. At the same time, Bahamut's physical self is destroyed. With Bahamut's death, the Crystal and the Astrals, along with magic, begin to vanish. The Citadel crashes back to earth, but Noctis, Luna and his companions are saved by Titan. In her final moment, Gentiana heals and revives Luna, wishing her a happy life. A bright light appears in the following calm; not Terra Flare, but the dawn.
*The scene shifts forward. The Starscourge is gone. Insomnia is in ruins, but as magic is gone from the world and the power of kings has lost meaning, people are seeing it as a memorial to the past time of kings. Lestallum was mostly spared due to the evacuation, and the power plant is undamaged. The Nilfheim continent has become fertile once again, either due to Shiva's power vanishing or Terra Flare not impacting it much, and it's set to become a bread basket. Tenebrae wasn't much damaged, and the royal palace is being rebuilt. Altissia has been rebuilt, and it's there that Noctis and Lunafreya are finally married.

And that's it. In a strange way it's like a fever dream. But it also feels strangely in line with the lore as built up within XV on a surface level, and the added layers they created using the pre-Ardyn DLC. This was a very, very long post, and I've certainly missed out key minor details that will prove essential to understanding some pieces. Also, is it me or does a lot of the stuff that happens in this novel as a whole sound very....FNC-ish? Otherwise....that's it. I'm now seriously looking forward to reading the entire thing in English. IT LOOKS EPIC!
Thanks for the translation.
Honestly, everything sounds really cool and epic. But it doesn't match XV at all and i'm still glad that this didn't happened ingame.
Nothing i liked about XV is respected here neither what i wanted to see was fulfiled.

If in some future we're able to get a second chance for new XV content, I don't want to see this realized.
Make Episode Aranea real but keep Diamond Weapon and Episode Luna setting for Noctis journey to Insomnia. So he meets all the girls post time skip and we get a last road trip with the bros.
 

Ikkin

Warrior of Light
Oct 30, 2016
1,099
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Ooookay folks. Ginormous spoilers for the Luna and Noctis chapters. This is a rough bullet point summary, with a little interpretation following from me. Please don't treat it as the definitive version. If you don't want to be spoiled, or are waiting for a different summary, don't look!
EP Luna;

*Luna wakes up in an underground tomb after her death in Altissia following the ten year timeskip. Reaching the surface, she's forced to run from a Deathgaze Daemon. She runs into Solaria and a hunter group, and they try to escape. The Deathgaze catches up, and the two are forced to fight; Sol is experienced, and Luna is forced to use a spear Sol is carrying. She is attacked by Deathgaze, but it is weakened, and when it grabs her, it disintegrates and leaves her arm marked. The hunters, including Sol, are wary of her both because her wounds heal abormaliy fast, and they don't believe she's Luna as...well, Luna's been dead ten years.
*Luna is surprised by the world's state, being taken to a temporary base where she meets Cindy. Umbra also appears and has a joyful reunion with Luna, but when she tries sending a message to Noctis Umbra resists. Noctis is safe, but currently unreachable. Luna decides to keep a note of her journey. The next bit's a little fuzzy, but she seems to help Sol with repairing their vehicle, showing she has knowledge beyond her role as the Oracle as well as martial skills.
*Luna is visited by Bahamut in a dream. The narration says that Bahamut is different from the other Astrals; while the other five are tied to the world of Eos and intimate with humanity, Bahamut is a celestial being who eclipses both humans and the other Astrals in power. He tells Luna her task is unfinished, and shows her a vision of Noctis's sacrificial death using the Ring. However, this was the original course of events; Ardyn's rampage through Insomnia with Ifrit and refusal to follow his destined path means the Ring now isn't enough to purge Eos of the scourge. Luna must now travel to defeat Ardyn herself; Bahamut resurrected her and gave her the power she now possesses to destroy Daemons for this purpose. Luna's puzzled, but as this new fate may save Noctis's life, she's ready to follow Bahamut's lead.
*Luna tells Sol about her mission, and while initially sceptical Sol agrees to take Luna to Lestallum for the time being. During their talk, Sol asks Luna about her harsh training as the Oracle. While Sol can't understand Luna's dogged response that it's the will of the Six, Luna can't understand Sol's belief that such duties should be fun and rewarding to perform as she's never asked for anything in return for her magic. They then get a call from Biggs; the ruins Luna was in were from the age of Solheim, which holds a powerful Daemon called Sapphire Weapon. Sol decides to investigate, and gives Luna some new and easier-to-wear black clothes. Sol and Luna have another argument, this time about whether it's right to follow the Gods' will above her own. Luna reflects that she's seen a large amount of suffering and death in Niflheim due to people blindly following someone else's decrees, and begins questioning her own autonomy. As she accompanies Sol to the ruins, she absorbs Daemons she defeats, getting increasing numbers of black marks on her skin. Sol then asks Luna's personal wish; it's to laugh with Noctis. Sol pretty much says she should make that wish come true.
*Aranea is trapped in the ruins with Sapphire Weapon; Sol is ordered to seal the ruins with Aranea inside. Luna insists on going in and absorbing Sapphire Weapon, even though her body's reaching its limit. While Luna knows Sol's family history from their talks, and knows Nilfheim killed her mother, that doesn't apply here. She's helping a girl named Sol save her mother Aranea. And that's Luna's choice. Turns out Luna trained in the ruins long ago, and knows a secret backdoor inside. As they enter, they discover a statue of Aera Mirus Fleuret. Aera's spirit speaks to Luna, showing Ardyn's past and the truth of the Oracle's power; a derivative of Ardyn's power to absorb and heal those touched by the Scourge. Luna's shocked by the revelation as she only used her power to wipe away the scourge rather than absorb it, and Aera ends with an appeal to save Ardyn.
*Broadly speaking, the mission's a success and Luna absorbs Sapphire Weapon. But then they find out the truth; Aranea was infected with the Scourge, and ordered the ruins sealed before she turned. Using Aera's vision as reference, Luna embraces Aranea and absorbs the Scourge. But this finally transforms Luna into a Daemon version of herself, which Aranea begins to attack. Luna retains her sentience and will, and Sol manages to stop Aranea. Luna is detained and imprisoned in Lestallum. There, Luna's predicament is discussed by Gladio, Prompto and Ignis. They're astonished by Luna's return, and saddened by her current condition. As there seems no hope for her yet she retains her sense of self, they decide whether to grant her wish to travel to Insomnia
*During this time, Luna has another dream. This time, its Gentiana/Shiva, who warns her against Bahamut's direction. Bahamut gave her this power not specifically to defeat Ardyn, but to become a new host of the Starscourge, effectively turning into a goddess of darkness, to fulfil his own plan; the purging of humanity, using the combined powers of light (the ring and Crystal) and dark (the scourge as embodied in Luna) to trigger Terra Flare, basically Bahamut's ultimate world-purging power. To Bahamut, humans are like flowers in significance, having no individual value. When the Great War of Old broke out between humans and Ifrit, and then between the other Astrals, Bahamut became disgusted with the whole situation and saw the world as having fallen too far to be redeemed (explained in more detail in next chapter). He thought the other gods would use their powers to purge mankind, but they so exhausted themselves in the fighting as to prevent this. Shiva now wants Luna to thwart Bahamut.
*Determined to help Luna, Sol plans to break her out. Aranea catches her in the act, but moved by Sol's appeal helps her rather than stops her outright. Luna and Sol barely escape as an alarm sounds. Luna travels alone on Sol's bike while Sol holds back the pursuers. Luna also entrusts Umbra with a last message to give to Noctis when he awakes. The chapter ends with Luna in the Lucian throne room, facing Ardyn, who is surprised by her appearance and her wish to talk rather than fight. Luna proposes that they cooperate in halting Bahamut's purge.


EP Noctis;

*Noctis is in the Crystal dreaming, seeing memories and flashbacks surrounding Ardyn and Somnus's pasts, Ardyn's actions, and Luna's death. Noctis wonders if he's no different from Somnus in the whole tragedy. Bahamut's urging him to think of nothing but his mission, but Noctis goes on remembering, this time Regis and how he was accused of pampering Noctis as a boy, of what happened with Ignis and Ravus in Altissia, Luna's pain and struggles during her own journey to prepare his way to the Astrals. He muses that he just wanted to live a normal life with Luna. Waking up on Angelgard, he recieves Luna's message via Umbra; to meet her at the Citadel. On the mainland, he meets Sol and learns of Luna's transformation. He considers that the gods offer no salvation for Daemons, and decides to save Luna no matter what.
*The scene changes to Luna. Despite his death playing right into Bahamut's hands, Ardyn refuses to listen to Luna's pleas and is about to attack, but Aera's soul speaks to him. He can't bring himself to kill Luna himself because he can't bear seeing Aera die in front of him again, but instead summons Ifrit to do it and leaves. In parallel to their battle, Noctis fights his way through Insomnia alone, defeating the possess Kings of Yore and hearing Somnus's plea to save Ardyn as he has lived in regret for two millennia. Now he knows what he knows, Noctis curses Bahamut for leading them to this point, as it was Ardyn's powers to absorb the Scourge that led him to this path. Meanwhile Luna uses her power to purify Ifrit. Speaking to Ardyn as she does this, she reveals her plan; to trick Bahamut into appearing to unleash Terra Flare, then he can be weakened to the point that he can be killed. Luna asks for a Covenant and Ifrit agrees as Bahamut's now a threat to Eos, causing Luna to collapse from the strain of overusing her powers.
*Noctis enters and sees Luna, who loses her sense of self even as she speaks with Noctis. If he doesn't attack her, Bahamut will. Noctis's role as the True King is eliminate darkness from the world. This next bit's a little fuzzy, but it reads like humanity has no divine protection because of the darkness within them that caused wars amongst the gods, and Luna has become the embodiment of that darkness.The threat Luna poses triggers Bahamut to raise the Citadel into the air in an effort to protect the Crystal. Duplicates of Bahamut (messengers maybe?) appear and begin attacking humanity. Noctis and Ardyn individually warp up to the Citadel, while Noctis's friends are drawn there while pursuing Noctis and end up there by accident alongside Aranea and Sol. Noctis sends Aranea and Sol to evacuate Lestallum, while Noctis goes with his companions to find Luna and Ardyn.
*Ardyn knows and relates Luna's plan, but is unwilling to participate. Basically it's a back-and-forth between Noctis and Ardyn. Noctis convinces Ardyn by appealing to his messianic desires, and gives him to Ring of the Lucii to use against Bahamut. Noctis also says that the only salvation he can offer Ardyn is true death, which using the Ring will provide. Ardyn reluctantly agrees.
*They divide into two fronts; Ardyn clears the way for Noctis to face the physical manifestation of Bahamut, who is using Luna's darkness to activate Terra Flare; while Ardyn himself goes into the other world and destroy's Bahamut's spiritual self. During the real world battle, Noctis is aided by the other five Astrals, but even their combined power won't stop Terra Flare, which will be many times more devastating than earlier great outbursts of power and potentially ravage all of Eos. Noctis shares his powers with the others, who unite in battling Luna - who is purged of the Scourge but being used as Bahamut's pawn as she begins unleashing the destruction of Terra Flare across Eos - while he faces Bahamut with the Astrals. Ardyn uses Providence to obliterate Bahamut's spiritual self and fades away, briefly hearing Aera's voice. At the same time, Bahamut's physical self is destroyed. With Bahamut's death, the Crystal and the Astrals, along with magic, begin to vanish. The Citadel crashes back to earth, but Noctis, Luna and his companions are saved by Titan. In her final moment, Gentiana heals and revives Luna, wishing her a happy life. A bright light appears in the following calm; not Terra Flare, but the dawn.
*The scene shifts forward. The Starscourge is gone. Insomnia is in ruins, but as magic is gone from the world and the power of kings has lost meaning, people are seeing it as a memorial to the past time of kings. Lestallum was mostly spared due to the evacuation, and the power plant is undamaged. The Nilfheim continent has become fertile once again, either due to Shiva's power vanishing or Terra Flare not impacting it much, and it's set to become a bread basket. Tenebrae wasn't much damaged, and the royal palace is being rebuilt. Altissia has been rebuilt, and it's there that Noctis and Lunafreya are finally married.

And that's it. In a strange way it's like a fever dream. But it also feels strangely in line with the lore as built up within XV on a surface level, and the added layers they created using the pre-Ardyn DLC. This was a very, very long post, and I've certainly missed out key minor details that will prove essential to understanding some pieces. Also, is it me or does a lot of the stuff that happens in this novel as a whole sound very....FNC-ish? Otherwise....that's it. I'm now seriously looking forward to reading the entire thing in English. IT LOOKS EPIC!
Wooooow, given the ridiculous scope of those two episodes

Sapphire Weapon! Floating citadel! Bahamut clones razing the planet! Noct's party and five Astrals versus Bahamut! Tera Flare! Titan catching the Citadel!

and the way that the concept sounds like

a FNC finale with Bahamut subbing in for Bhunivelze and Luna for Etro

the overall impression I get is that they really were trying to make "Final Fantasy Versus XV" out of a series of DLCs strung together.

Presumably, the ludicrous cost of some of the concepts was what spelled the doom of the DLC plan -- it honestly sounds like it'd be more pricy than the entirety of Lightning Returns.

Anyway, given the choice to go AU, I'm glad that they decided to go all the way and destroy any chance that any of the AU concepts could possibly reflect on canon.

Since Bahamut's motivation is not actually caused by anything within the AU and AU Bahamut's plan doesn't come to pass in canon even though Noct obeys canon Bahamut, canon Bahamut could not possibly share motivations with AU Bahamut. AU Bahamut is effectively a different character.
 
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So what I'm getting out of all this is that Bahamut started the Starscourge in the first place within this alternate timeline. Honestly I still would've liked these DLCs despite the crazy stuff going on. I have no real problem with just viewing them as a fun "what if Bahamut was evil" concept like how comic books do non-canon alterations just for the hell of it like "what if Superman was russian?" I agree with the people saying that it basically sounds like FFXV if it was still part of FNC which heavily clashes with current FFXV's overall themes.

Episode Aranea was definitely a terrible loss all around though. So much cool stuff going on in it that would've added to the game like finally getting to fight Diamond Weapon or getting to explore more of Niflheim's capital. It has next to no alternate timeline aspects within it so it could comfortably fit into the main game. Luna's DLC while non canon also provides us with more insight into her training as Oracle though which I thought was cool. Had no idea that there was actual training for that position and the fact that we would've gotten to see more Solheim ruins and Sapphire Weapon sounds cool too. Even if we didn't get to see these things in the main game I like to imagine that these ruins and Sapphire are still in the world of Eos, just undiscovered for now.

There are some aspects within Episode Luna that definitely seem easily applicable to main timeline Luna and help shed some more light on her character. Just wish they could've actually shown us that stuff in the main game too. Would've gladly traded one of Luna's garden or bedroom scenes for a scene of her training in an ancient crypt, could've been a good way to show her life isn't all gardens and roses and that she's had to endure some legitimate trials to get to where she is.

Noct's DLC is complete fanservice though and surprisingly offers nothing new other than kicking Bahamut's ass so I'm actually not torn up over its loss. Not too bent out of shape with the loss of Episode Luna either but at least it provided some cool info on Luna that relates to her main game self.
 
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Wooooow, given the ridiculous scope of those two episodes

Since Bahamut's motivation is not actually caused by anything within the AU and AU Bahamut's plan doesn't come to pass in canon even though Noct obeys canon Bahamut, canon Bahamut could not possibly share motivations with AU Bahamut. AU Bahamut is effectively a different character.
But this AU Bahamut lines with the Bahamut from Episode Ardyn. Is it safe to say that Bahamut was AU too? I've always considered him to be canon but some of his goals seem AU to me. Unless there is an explanation for why Ardyn had to spread the Starscourge with necessity, I can't see this Bahamut as canon, and thus can't consider Episode Ardyn canon by extension.
 
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But this AU Bahamut lines with the Bahamut from Episode Ardyn. Is it safe to say that Bahamut was AU too? I've always considered him to be canon but some of his goals seem AU to me. Unless there is an explanation for why Ardyn had to spread the Starscourge with necessity, I can't see this Bahamut as canon, and thus can't consider Episode Ardyn canon by extension.
Bahamut from Episode Ardyn is still doing everything to preserve life and ensure that humanity survives despite the great tragedies to come. Bahamut in the main timeline is committing a necessary evil by having Ardyn become what he does. Many people may get hurt and die but in the end but humanity as a whole will endure. Even him using Aera to punish Ardyn, while toeing the line towards evil, can be seen as him just asserting dominance over a rebellious Ardyn who needs that extra push and would rather chase his own personal desires than commit to the plan that is necessary to bring about the best outcome. If Bahamut were to do that to Ardyn unprovoked then I would get it but as is Bahamut actually leaves Ardyn alone once he accepts his destiny. The two different responses from Bahamut are entirely dependent upon how Ardyn behaves so I wouldn't call Bahamut an outright asshole in that scenario.

Anyways main timeline Bahamut is an asshole but not necessarily because he tries to be one. He's more of a Spock type of character. He means well and is very logic driven but doesn't factor human emotion or attachment into his actions. AU Bahamut straight up wants to annihilate Eos because.... reasons. It's not even a matter of protection or preservation at this point for AU Bahamut, he just straight up doesn't like humans and is disgusted by the current state of Eos out of the blue and apparently has been this way for a while which conflicts with his main timeline iteration who is very clearly working towards humanity's salvation even if it is through some rough methods.

This new info goes against everything that's been established in regards to the Astrals. Bahamut would have no reason to stop Ifrit from striking down humanity if he did indeed become disillusioned with humans after their betrayal of Ifrit. The original plan also makes zero sense now because why set up a plan to save everything if you hate humans and just wanna destroy everything later. The AU stuff in Episodes Noct and Luna is straight up retcon territory and you shouldn't really be trying to make connections between that stuff and the main game stuff. It's all just a fun "what-if" scenario to give people fan service.

FFXV's main story is basically done with Episode Ardyn and the Episode Aranea stuff from the novel provides some nice story to fill in the blanks in regards to what goes down in Niflheim but other than that the new stuff isn't really meant to be factored into the main story and nor should it be.
 

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I think episode Noctis does provide stuff for the main timeline in regards to his 10 years meditation. It explains a lot about his maturity and it also explain how he knew Ardyn was once a kind person in the pocket edition.

Anyway this sound cool I hope one day for its 10 years anniversary they add the novel stuff into the game. Bahamut being more of a douche isn’t a big deal since it’s an AU. This Bahamut might have realize Ifrit had the right idea in this timeline whereas the main Bahamut remain a lawful neutral douche instead of a genocidal one.

This is how AU works in a multiverse. Characters make different choices that is different from a different universe. We saw this with Omen where Noctis traveled alone and ultimately became accursed.
 
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I'm really curious to see if we would have fought the rest of the Kings of Yore in Episode Noctis or if they just meant the three we already have. It was really stale facing clones of the Fierce and Rogue as many times as we did in Episode Ardyn tbh
 

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Bahamut created humans and possibly created daemons and now he wants to wipe them out. Because Bahamut knew that humans would rise up against their creator and serve as a threat to the divine and he can't have that, so the new plan is that he has decided to destroy them. Now you see why. Ifrit was right, Leviathan was right and Shiva was right, originally.
 

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Bahamut created humans and possibly created daemons and now he wants to wipe them out. Because Bahamut knew that humans would rise up against their creator and serve as a threat to the divine and he can't have that, so the new plan is that he has decided to destroy them. Now you see why. Ifrit was right, Leviathan was right and Shiva was right, originally.
Yet in episode Luna, Gentiana still helps Luna defeat Bahamut. She is SO cool. Probably m favorite Shiva yet - she is so well written (and designed) in this game.
 

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Bahamut created humans and possibly created daemons and now he wants to wipe them out. Because Bahamut knew that humans would rise up against their creator and serve as a threat to the divine and he can't have that, so the new plan is that he has decided to destroy them. Now you see why. Ifrit was right, Leviathan was right and Shiva was right, originally.
Yet in episode Luna, Gentiana still helps Luna defeat Bahamut. She is SO cool. Probably m favorite Shiva yet - she is so well written (and designed) in this game.
From what I managed to glean from the summaries I found (In japanese, mind you, so translation errors likely abound), it didn't sound like he just decided out of the blue. He seems to have been influenced by the fact that the human conflict managed to influence gods into a civil war, and he thought their ultimate attacks would wipe Eos clean, but they didn't and it looks like he set about doing something to try and make Eos right in the aftermath. After that, there's also the fact that his will for the betterment of Eos was defied multiple times. If we're looking at this through a Christian lens, it's as if God's plan for redemptive suffering was thrown back in his face with a vengeance, and he sent a Great Flood of epic proportions when he saw humanity as beyond all hope. Only he was stopped, as his plan of annihilation made him an enemy of the other Astrals. They are mandated to protect Eos, even from each other.
 

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so Bahamut reviving dead people to accomplish new objectives = falCie decrystallizing lCie for a new Focus.

Luna needed to become the goddess of death and darkness is basically a plot point in the XIII saga.

Bahamut being the higher god can be considered canon given the main game already makes it clear.
 

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Super late to the party here but this fucking book was a massive mistake.

All its doing is pissing off their fanbase even more for cancelling this stuff. Regardless if was "alternative" content, it meant more FFXV lore to begin with and completely ties up most of the missing major points in the game.

Episode Aranea: Diamond Weapon? Gralea? Seriously? You cancel the opportunity and remove this set piece? JFC. This would have SOLVED ALL OF MY NIFLHEIM PROBLEMS.

Episode Luna: More Nifleheim? Sapphire Weapon? More WoR? Setting up Bahamuts downfall? Yes, I get the logic behind making Bahamut a pure villain is some pretty contrived retconning, but shit, I would have loved this.

Episode Noctis: I don't even want to talk about. This shit sounded too epic.

All in all, the only thing I would have changed would have been the idea that it was an alternative ending, but rather a method to preventing the first future. Unsure how they could have pulled this off, but it would have been cool for people to choose their outcomes based on the story.

Honestly, I'm actually really mad I read any of this. I would have rather not known their plans. And this completely ruins the base game for me in ways because now I KNOW there was supposed to be 7 more layers on top of what we got.

Pissed of Square. This is probably the most disappointing thing you could have done to Final Fantasy and its fanbase. I haven't even touched Episode Ardyn because it technically hints at a large majority of this stuff. I personally can't. Its too disappointing for me.


Edit: Actually, WAIT. They DO explain how this DLC ties into everything. Everything from Chapter 14 on is actually a vision from Bahamut given to Luna, or at least on their terms. I'm actually totally okay with this route believe it or not, as much as I love the original ending, it left a lot unsaid. One day Square needs to make this right. One day.
 
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Super late to the party here but this fucking book was a massive mistake.

All its doing is pissing off their fanbase even more for cancelling this stuff. Regardless if was "alternative" content, it meant more FFXV lore to begin with and completely ties up most of the missing major points in the game.

Episode Aranea: Diamond Weapon? Gralea? Seriously? You cancel the opportunity and remove this set piece? JFC. This would have SOLVED ALL OF MY NIFLHEIM PROBLEMS.

Episode Luna: Sapphire Weapon? More WoR? Setting up Bahamuts downfall? Yes, I get the logic behind making Bahamut a pure villain is some pretty contrived retconning, but shit, I would have loved this.

Episode Noctis: I don't even want to talk about. This shit sounded too epic.

All in all, the only thing I would have changed would have been the idea that it was an alternative ending, but rather a method to preventing the first future. Unsure how they could have pulled this off, but it would have been cool for people to choose their outcomes based on the story.

Honestly, I'm actually really mad I read any of this. I would have rather not known their plans. And this completely ruins the base game for me in ways because now I KNOW there was supposed to be 7 more layers on top of what we got.

Pissed of Square. This is probably the most disappointing thing you could have done to Final Fantasy and its fanbase. I haven't even touched Episode Ardyn because it technically hints at a large majority of this stuff. I personally can't. Its too disappointing for me.

I really liked the endings of both the main game and Dawn of the Future equally, especially in the way they did things, and and the fact both endings achieved great things, though I understand why people would be against the idea of Dawn of The Future, and believe me, I know how that felt, I used to be against this alternative story DLCs thing, but after reading the things about Episode Lunafreya and Episode Noctis, it made me sad that we didn't get this. I don't regret playing Episode Ardyn, I loved exploring Insomnia, and seeing Ardyn's story play out in the anime and DLC themselves, and enjoyed playing as Ardyn himself, but Episode Aranea in particular was close to the greatness of Episode Ardyn, and I'm mad that it's gone and now part of a book. Heck, if they do a FFXV re-release on the PS5 or PS6, I hope they at least bring Episode Aranea back as DLC or as added content to the main game.
 

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I really liked the endings of both the main game and Dawn of the Future equally, especially in the way they did things, and and the fact both endings achieved great things, though I understand why people would be against the idea of Dawn of The Future, and believe me, I know how that felt, I used to be against this alternative story DLCs thing, but after reading the things about Episode Lunafreya and Episode Noctis, it made me sad that we didn't get this. I don't regret playing Episode Ardyn, I loved exploring Insomnia, and seeing Ardyn's story play out in the anime and DLC themselves, and enjoyed playing as Ardyn himself, but Episode Aranea in particular was close to the greatness of Episode Ardyn, and I'm mad that it's gone and now part of a book. Heck, if they do a FFXV re-release on the PS5 or PS6, I hope they at least bring Episode Aranea back as DLC or as added content to the main game.
I'm okay with it in a way as well, but tbh, these games are not known for their depressing, drab or dark endings. Yes, I absolutely love FFXV's main ending, it was perfect. However, now that Ep. Ardyn is a thing, we know he entirely was a scapegoat, not actually the main villain.

Basically, I LOVED FFXV's ending because I thought that Ardyn was tragic and flawed, but still the main villain. However, his episode puts him as a pawn, and now that is CANON. So now, as much as I love the main ending, I am super disappointed with it in retrospect.

Because scapegoat Ardyn is a true thing now, I would much rather have these 3 DLC's align the ending in a more believable way now. I'd personally rather have this, regardless of how I feel about an alternative ending because we get:

- More Luna and her ability to fight
- More Aranea
- Two massive Weapon fights
- More Gralea and greater Niflheim
- More WoR plus Cindy and Aranea post timeskip
- More Astral story overall
- A grander FF feel in general
- An actual conclusion against Bahamut and the crystal
- Having a sick 4 person party.

and for those that care:

- A happier ending.

I'd take all of this even if they changed it. I don't know if I can ever replay this game until one day they possibly attempt to. Its too painful
 

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I'm okay with it in a way as well, but tbh, these games are not known for their depressing, drab or dark endings. Yes, I absolutely love FFXV's main ending, it was perfect. However, now that Ep. Ardyn is a thing, we know he entirely was a scapegoat, not actually the main villain.

Basically, I LOVED FFXV's ending because I thought that Ardyn was tragic and flawed, but still the main villain. However, his episode puts him as a pawn, and now that is CANON. So now, as much as I love the main ending, I am super disappointed with it in retrospect.

Because scapegoat Ardyn is a true thing now, I would much rather have these 3 DLC's align the ending in a more believable way now. I'd personally rather have this, regardless of how I feel about an alternative ending because we get:

- More Luna and her ability to fight
- More Aranea
- Two massive Weapon fights
- More Gralea and greater Niflheim
- More WoR plus Cindy and Aranea post timeskip
- More Astral story overall
- A grander FF feel in general
- An actual conclusion against Bahamut and the crystal
- Having a sick 4 person party.

and for those that care:

- A happier ending.

I'd take all of this even if they changed it. I don't know if I can ever replay this game until one day they possibly attempt to. Its too painful
Ardyn is still the main villain in the canon route though. Besides the fact that they confirmed EP. Ardyn's "Submit your Fate" choice as the canon to the main game, it's still possible to interperate Bahamut's motivation as a means of fate being fate without malicious intention.
 

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I'm okay with it in a way as well, but tbh, these games are not known for their depressing, drab or dark endings. Yes, I absolutely love FFXV's main ending, it was perfect. However, now that Ep. Ardyn is a thing, we know he entirely was a scapegoat, not actually the main villain.

Basically, I LOVED FFXV's ending because I thought that Ardyn was tragic and flawed, but still the main villain. However, his episode puts him as a pawn, and now that is CANON. So now, as much as I love the main ending, I am super disappointed with it in retrospect.

Because scapegoat Ardyn is a true thing now, I would much rather have these 3 DLC's align the ending in a more believable way now. I'd personally rather have this, regardless of how I feel about an alternative ending because we get:

- More Luna and her ability to fight
- More Aranea
- Two massive Weapon fights
- More Gralea and greater Niflheim
- More WoR plus Cindy and Aranea post timeskip
- More Astral story overall
- A grander FF feel in general
- An actual conclusion against Bahamut and the crystal
- Having a sick 4 person party.

and for those that care:

- A happier ending.

I'd take all of this even if they changed it. I don't know if I can ever replay this game until one day they possibly attempt to. Its too painful
Exactly, these three DLCs together as Dawn of The Future almost feel like a new game, and they could've told this as a full-on new game, like FFXV-2, and I feel Dawn of The Future's ending did things better than the main game's ending, even though I love that ending, too. Also, people still died in Dawn of The Future, which were Ardyn, though on a higher note I liked, and the other Astrals, including Gentiana/Shiva. It still had some bittersweetness to it, but overall, they felt like Dawn of The Future was the final battle of FFXV itself and it felt grand to me in a way. Heck, I would've loved seeing the floating Citadel for example, and fighting Diamond Weapon and Sapphire Weapon.