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DrBretto

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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kingsglaive_final_fantasy_xv_2016

So far the reviews don't seem to have a high opinion on the movie... better wait for more of them.
Yeah, I've never been a fan of the RT scoring. It's too black and white. A lot of these don't seem like terrible reviews at all, but "not recommended" is as good as a 0. Though, I am surprised at the result so far. I wasn't expecting it to be a critical darling, but I was expecting closer to like 60-70 based on all of the other reviews.

Luckily for me, my mind has been made up for a long time though.
 
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Honestly speaking i feel this is probably more than the best it could get for a video game movie.

Idk somehow i feel expanding the movie's presence to theaters kinda backfired considering how KG was originally going to release.

Yeah, I've never been a fan of the RT scoring. It's too black and white. A lot of these don't seem like terrible reviews at all, but "not recommended" is as good as a 0. Though, I am surprised at the result so far. I wasn't expecting it to be a critical darling, but I was expecting closer to like 60-70 based on all of the other reviews.

Luckily for me, my mind has been made up for a long time though.
Can't tell if you meant this in a good or bad way.
 

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Honestly speaking i feel this is probably more than the best it could get for a video game movie.

Idk somehow i feel expanding the movie's presence to theaters kinda backfired considering how KG was originally going to release.



Can't tell if you meant this in a good or bad way.
Im trying to think of a way to reword this to make it clearer, but I keep coming up with the same words. I wasn't expecting it to get 100, but certainly not 9.
 

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I wouldn't take Rotten Tomatoes metric as anything to actually care about. The guy who runs the site has actually manipulated the scores before on movies he thinks should have done better/worse in the past. What you should really care about are the actual reviews themselves.
 

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Reviews are springing up at last. Here are some:

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv
http://www.gamesradar.com/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-review/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-15-review/1100-6442488/
http://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/film-review-kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-movie-1201839391/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/08/18/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-review
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/18/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-ew-review

General consensus on aggregate sites is that critics are giving it middling to low scores for the most part. All are saying it's a gorgeous-looking film, but they say that the plot is confusing for someone outside the Final Fantasy series. Those with experience of the series are treating it less harshly, particularly GameSpot, and user-based scores on aggregate sites are good. There is praise going towards the lead performances, while the supporting cast is being called out for lack of a strong performance. There's also the usual problems being called out about balance between realistic action and exposition, and a lack of lighthearted momnets (which they think should be applied to a war setting where the king is waning, ect. Hmm....).

So basically, it sounds like Kingsglaive is a film for fans of the series, and possibly those outside it. It's got a story that we fans will likely enjoy, and of course stunning visuals. It's very much that piece of the game they couldn't fit into XV, salvaged and given life in a new form.
 
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Reviews are springing up at last. Here are some:

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv
http://www.gamesradar.com/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-review/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-15-review/1100-6442488/
http://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/film-review-kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-movie-1201839391/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/08/18/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-review
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/18/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv-ew-review

General consensus on aggregate sites is that critics are giving it middling to low scores for the most part. All are saying it's a gorgeous-looking film, but they say that the plot is confusing for someone outside the Final Fantasy series. Those with experience of the series are treating it less harshly, particularly GameSpot, and user-based scores on aggregate sites are good. There is praise going towards the lead performances, while the supporting cast is being called out for lack of a strong performance. There's also the usual problems being called out about balance between realistic action and exposition, and a lack of lighthearted momnets (which they think should be applied to a war setting where the king is waning, ect. Hmm....).

So basically, it sounds like Kingsglaive is a film for fans of the series, and possibly those outside it. It's got a story that we fans will likely enjoy, and of course stunning visuals. It's very much that piece of the game they couldn't fit into XV, salvaged and given life in a new form.
I think first and foremost this is what Square did it for. I wouldn't imagine they thought they'd get insane viewing numbers from people who know nothing about FF or the casual movie goer and I think the reviews in the main are going to score it really low - Firstly because it will be fashionable to do so, given the history of this particular IP and secondly because they just wont get it. :happy:
 

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I think first and foremost this is what Square did it for. I wouldn't imagine they thought they'd get insane viewing numbers from people who know nothing about FF or the casual movie goer and I think the reviews in the main are going to score it really low - Firstly because it will be fashionable to do so, given the history of this particular IP and secondly because they just wont get it. :happy:
I think it's a generally accepted fact that "critics" are a separate species to the rest of humanity. So they bash The Spirits Within and Advent Children, whilst I and many others enjoy them. Spirits Within is still one of the few films that actually brought me to tears of emotion, ranking alongside Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind and (I think) Hidden Blade.
 

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I think it's a generally accepted fact that "critics" are a separate species to the rest of humanity. So they bash The Spirits Within and Advent Children, whilst I and many others enjoy them. Spirits Within is still one of the few films that actually brought me to tears of emotion, ranking alongside Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind and (I think) Hidden Blade.
They were indeed good films.
 

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I don't know that the appeal is *only* for FF fans, it's just definitely not for movie buffs.

I'd say any anime fan is willing to look past the rough edges, for example. And I have a whole family of non-gamers interested in the movie. They're foodies, not movie buffs. They just see the crazy action and they're all in. And there's nothing wrong with that. Hell, some of my friends like Pixels, and not in the ironic way that I loved it I don't see them caring if the plot doesn't teach them about life and love or whatever.
 
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Advent Children is a movie where it's for FFVII fans only, Kingsglaive is certainly a movie that can be enjoyed on its own. These critics just know that it's a movie for a game, so they don't like it as much. Tabata said it could be enjoyed by itself, not that it could stand alone as its own movie. If he thought this, it wouldn't get a very small limited theatrical release... simple as that. What it means is, if you want to take your friends to go see it, they can still enjoy it. What it doesn't mean is, regular people around the world can go and watch this movie and enjoy it and be completely satisfied with this being like any other blockbuster movie being shown at the same time.

It's funny that critics are fine with a movie about meat coming to life and making juvenile sexual innuendos devoid of any humour or soul, but a fantasy movie like Kingsglaive is just not good enough. Fuck Hollywood and fuck the stupid critics.

I'm not saying that this movie should score well with everyone, nor am I even claiming it's a good movie, but when I see a review site thats main complaints are:
  • The bad guys are wearing hats
  • Names are weird
  • The voice acting is bad
I can't help but get frustrated...
 

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It's funny that critics are fine with a movie about meat coming to life and making juvenile sexual innuendos devoid of any humour or soul, but a fantasy movie like Kingsglaive is just not good enough.
Eww, yes I remember seeing a trailer for that. Gave me nightmares for a week! It's just something in terrible bad taste (no pun intended). If they wanted to do something that contrasted with family friendly CGI movies, they could do a Kurasawa-style movie (like say, a story of a modern-day Shinobi family caught in a clash between modern times and their ancient creeds) and it would still have mature impact without sinking into vulgar parody and expletive-based humour.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy Kingsglaive. Just thought I'd like to post something about what reviewers were saying. Just for the heck of it.
 

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Advent Children is a movie where it's for FFVII fans only, Kingsglaive is certainly a movie that can be enjoyed on its own. These critics just know that it's a movie for a game, so they don't like it as much. Tabata said it could be enjoyed by itself, not that it could stand alone as its own movie. If he thought this, it wouldn't get a very small limited theatrical release... simple as that. What it means is, if you want to take your friends to go see it, they can still enjoy it. What it doesn't mean is, regular people around the world can go and watch this movie and enjoy it and be completely satisfied with this being like any other blockbuster movie being shown at the same time.

It's funny that critics are fine with a movie about meat coming to life and making juvenile sexual innuendos devoid of any humour or soul, but a fantasy movie like Kingsglaive is just not good enough. Fuck Hollywood and fuck the stupid critics.

I'm not saying that this movie should score well with everyone, nor am I even claiming it's a good movie, but when I see a review site thats main complaints are:
  • The bad guys are wearing hats
  • Names are weird
  • The voice acting is bad
I can't help but get frustrated...
I literally just checked up on that movie's critical score, i don't whether i should chuckle or feel incredibly repulsed. The trailers for that one were enough for me to respond with a fat ass "NOPE".

Feels like they should have just ignored theaters after all honestly, but at least the general audience seem pleased by it.
 
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I literally just checked up on that movie's critical score, i don't whether i should chuckle or feel incredibly repulsed. The trailers for that one were enough for me to responed with a fat ass "NOPE".

Feels like they should have just ignored theaters after all honestly, but at least the general audience seem pleased by it.
Theatres were packed for Kingsglaive in many locations, some even having long lines just to watch the movie. I think Final Fantasy fans and video game fans alike can enjoy the movie just fine. If you are a movie snob who like to critique everything, you probably wont enjoy it... but you probably don't enjoy life either.
 
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I'm not saying that this movie should score well with everyone, nor am I even claiming it's a good movie, but when I see a review site thats main complaints are:
  • The bad guys are wearing hats
  • Names are weird
  • The voice acting is bad
I can't help but get frustrated...
This, it's kinda sad how some of the critics didn't even bother to give a decent review (they're probably right in some points since I didn't watched the movie yet, also considering this is Nozue first movie, but some of the reasons...).

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/m...y-xv-where-the-bad-guys-sport-silly-hats.html
"But then, so might yours be if called upon to bark wooden dialogue and names that seem concocted by a desperate Scrabble player who’s run out of vowels. I was devastated to learn, for instance, that the oft-mentioned empire was called Niflheim and not (as everyone seemed to be saying) Nippleheim. Don’t judge: With a project this misbegotten, we grab our amusement where we can."

http://www.oneguysopinion.com/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv/
"But if the look of the movie should please fans, the plot is an absolute muddle—an unholy brew of flotsam and jetsam that ranges from Wagnerian motifs and garbled Latin names (sometimes conjoined, as in Lunefreya) to bits of “Star Wars” and “The Lord of the Rings.”

this is so stupid, as much as the Imsonmia name criticism; why using Latin in a movie inspired by Star Wars (which was one of the references sakaguchi used to create this very franchise) is bad? "well... because it's bad!"; some of these reviews screams like the critics are mocking the film just because is a CG video game movie, sadly.

but the IGN one is better (because it's funny):
"It's too serious. When everything is so serious, it's hard to take anything seriously at all." 6.9 lol.

In the end, one just need to see the disparity between the critics score and the audience score (both on RT and Meta); even the RT is not that bad because the important rating it's not 8%, it's the average rating, which is 4.6.