Rise of the Tomb Raider Announced

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Fleur

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#21
I can just about see how Microsoft might theoretically benefit from this...even if it performs badly enough according to SE's own criteria that the money hat visibly ends up falling on its sword a bit. Microsoft have the seemingly infinitely deep pockets here.

But one has to wonder though, how much SE needed the Microsoft cheque. I thought they were largely out of the woods (or is it just the Japanese side that's doing well at the moment?), so it puzzles me why they would resort to such a short-term gain at the sacrifice of the longer-term prospects of the Tomb Raider IP.
 

Azuardo

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#22
It will benefit MS, but not so much Crystal D and SE, in my opinion. Although it's tough to say because we don't know exactly how much MS gave them; it could be a stupidly high sum. It has to be large enough for SE to give two middle fingers to their entire PC and PS fanbase - let's not forget this game was due for PS3, too - still a money maker. And, of course, after the lower than projected sales of the first game by SE's liking, this would undoubtedly perform even worse being just an Xbox exclusive now.

To actually not care about sales shows you how much MS must surely have thrown at SE.

Fuck the fans, fuck standards, fuck the long term and the fact that exclusives on Xbox One are a big risk right now - just take a good sniff of that cash and grab it while you can.

I'm disappointed, to say the least. I hope this doesn't have negative impacts in the long run for CD and SE. I mean, a part of me wants them to treat TR with more respect, but I don't want this hurting them badly or anything. I just can't help but think of how exclusives can have the opposite effect sometimes. The backlash is already proof of it, but we'll see just how many people really will buy an XBO just for this game when the time comes.

As much as I was looking forward to this game, however, I know I certainly won't be getting one. If anything, it's turned me off Xbox even more.
 
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Perhaps the way Square Enix sees it is that it's basically free money. It'll still come to PS4 and PC and those who want to play it on those two platforms will buy the game. How many will actually refuse to buy it at that point?
 

Shin Kazama

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#26
Definitely calling timed exclusive. Still in bad taste but I guess it's smart from a business standpoint.
 

Wazi the pa

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#27
In a different thread, I said there was no reason to own both a Sony and Microsoft platform as they all basically offer the same content and it'd come down to exclusives.

Getting Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusive would have been a pretty big blow to PS4 and PC fans but at the same time a good reason to buy a XB1. Timed exclusive only works for the short term but that might be all Microsoft needs. They're not going down without a fight.
But how long will PS4 and PC gamers wait for the game after it has released on Xbox? Who knows............
 

yeah_93

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#29
"Is it timed?"
MS: "No, it's exclusive for the Xbox"
"But it has to be timed, right?"
MS: "I said it was exclusive for Xbox"
"I won't believe your lies, it's timed"
MS: "No it's exclusive"
"Wonder how long is it going to be until it's released for PS4 and PC"
MS: "You win goddammit! It's timed."
 

Azuardo

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#30
After all that money and sickeningly insulting corporate PR bullshit Crystal statement, they buckle. Really surprised they gave in - 24 hours later, no less - after the GTA and Mass Effect deals in the past where we simply had no idea until they expired.

Reading over the CD statement again, every single line reeks of pure shit. I kinda hate what this company ass-kissing, anti-consumer industry has become.

Whatever. I'll be picking TR2 up in the sales on PS4 down the road.
 

yeah_93

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#31
You can't expect less, considering their elusive statements where they never said it was going to be an exclusive forever. That, and the backlash that resulted. I hope they don't try to pull this crap again.
 

Wazi the pa

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#32
Wow....... Microsoft are bastards.......
But I don't understand why Crystal Dynamics or Square Enix didn't just say out that it will come to other platforms soon.......
They made so many people worry, God dammit.

Really damn sucks to wait for the game to come to the PS4.....
The 'business deal' shouldn't have happened in the first place.....
 
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#33
Wonder how many people would be rejoicing or not really care if this were the other way around and was a timed exclusive on the PS4 instead?

Personally I don't know why Phil Spencer just came out and said it was a timed exclusive. Talk about a waste of money.
 

Wazi the pa

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Wonder how many people would be rejoicing or not really care if this were the other way around and was a timed exclusive on the PS4 instead?

Personally I don't know why Phil Spencer just came out and said it was a timed exclusive. Talk about a waste of money.
In the end, the game will be only on Xbox for a long time, so their purpose still has been fulfilled but im guessing there will be some who will wait and some with an xbox who will quickly buy.
 
Sep 26, 2013
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Xbox’s Phil Spencer Talks Rise of the Tomb Raider Exclusivity
Speaking with Eurogamer, Microsoft’s head of Xbox, Phil Spencer, recently discussed his thoughts on the deal with Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics that will result in Rise of the Tomb Raider being a timed exclusive for Xbox.

“Crystal has been investing in that game and Square has as well, in Tomb Raider as a franchise, and wanting to put it at the highest level, with the big triple-A franchises out there, but that’s expensive,” Spencer says.

“For us, as we’ve been working together on this, it’s a nice franchise for us in terms of the genre and how it fits into our first-party portfolio. Do I wish I had an owned IP first-party action adventure game? Absolutely. But I don’t right now. This is one that fits well and we had such a good working relationship with them.”

“And they want to build that game up to the same level as any of the huge triple-A games out there. It used to a big dominant game. Crystal has done a great job in rebuilding it since ’09, when they started kickstarting it, but continuing to invest at that level, it takes a partnership.”

Spencer also touches upon Microsoft’s relationship with Crystal Dynamics, who, you may recall, have appeared on stage during Microsoft’s E3 conferences in the past.

“You’ve got to remember, we talk all the time. ’09 was the first time we had them on our E3 stage,” Spencer points out. “They were on our stage this year. They were on our stage last year. We’ve worked with them for many years. So it’s not even like a conversation that’s new to us. We’ve got an ongoing relationship with Crystal around this franchise.”

“They’ve seen what we’ve done with certain games out there that aren’t ours. Ryse is another IP. I don’t own the Ryse IP, but I was able to invest with Crytek to turn it into a franchise, which isn’t easy to do for a studio on their own. I don’t own it. They just announced it for PC, and certain people throw stones at me and say, ‘you shouldn’t let it go out on PC.’ I’m like, look, I want Crytek to make money. I want Crytek to be successful. Why would I ever block them from doing something with a game they own?”

Meanwhile, in a separate interview with Kotaku U.K., Spencer also confirmed that Microsoft are investing money in the marketing and development of Rise of the Tomb Raider.

“We will clearly spend money on marketing the game, there’s no doubt about that,” Spencer said to the site. “And we do [that] on games where we have very little to do with development, and with games that we fully develop. And we will definitely be spending money on developing the game – I want to make sure that it’s as great as it can be.”

Rise of the Tomb Raider will be released on Xbox sometime during Holiday 2015.
 

Wazi the pa

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“We will clearly spend money on marketing the game, there’s no doubt about that,” Spencer said to the site. “And we do [that] on games where we have very little to do with development, and with games that we fully develop. And we will definitely be spending money on developing the game – I want to make sure that it’s as great as it can be.”
Good for Spencer and Xbox but considering that they are investing on the development of the game, I don't think we could expect the game to come to other platforms for a long time. A couple of months would be child's talk.
 

Wazi the pa

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#37
However, it makes sense why Crystal Dynamics went forward with the deal: Investment for development and marketing of the game and in return, they make the game timely exclusive to a console. It's a huge benefit for them.

**EDIT**
Still pissed off.
 
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Couple of months would be waste of money otherwise what's the point of making such investment?

It's going to be deep into 2016 or beyond before PS4 owners gets to play it.
 

Wazi the pa

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#39
Exactly what I thought. Now the question is that whether the people will wait that long or decide to get an Xbox One to play the new Tomb Raider. It's hard to say whether Rise of the Tomb Raider will be the "System-Seller" or not until Crystal reveals more of the game.