Final Fantasy XVI - General News Thread

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Jenova

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A wise move. People are still focused on the Remake. Best not take attention away from that right now. Plus, Final Fantasy is no longer a Playstation exclusive franchise so it being revealed now isn't inline with its current branding. I expect either the Japanese gaming this (or next?) month may have a reveal. Otherwise, I could see them revealing at it TGS this year after both next-gen consoles have released.
 

Bazztek

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So it sounds like the rumours of FFXVI being at the PS5 reveal event were false afterall, many games media people like Imran Khan formerly of GameInformer, Jason Schreier and ZhugeEx/Daniel Ahmad have said that XVI was not ever meant to be shown to begin with. Imran Khan even said every rumour he heard about "XVI" is actually what was shown for Project Athia, which isn't XVI let alone a Final Fantasy.


In a now deleted thread over on Resetera Jason said that XVI was not pulled from the show, and Imran, Jason and ZhugeEx all essentially confirm that.










However even aside from all of this, my own personal feeling is that the PS5 reveal should have been where FFXVI was revealed, the timing now was the time, like 2006 for FFXIII at the start of the PS3 era was, and 2013 for FFXV at the start of the PS4 era was, so even if FFXVI was never actually planned to be shown at the PS5 reveal, I still think XVI will be revealed before the PS5 launches, or at the very least I think that SE should reveal XVI before the PS5 launches.

Whatever Yoshi-P's project is I don't doubt it is FFXVI, even if he denied the recent rumours that state he is the director, he didn't actually deny being involved in it, only that the rumour stating he was director is fake, so he could just as easily be involved in it as a Producer or Executive Producer, and with that project having been in development for a few years now, even longer than Project Athia has been in development for, I think it could fit into SE's 2021 FY.

I'm not expecting FF7R Part 2 until at least 2023 at this rate, they've said they are still in planning for that only months ago and don't even know what they want to put in Part 2 yet, and it's not like they can reuse any location assets or anything from Midgar for the rest of FF7's world so it would take them just as long to make whatever location assets they need, and they still have to create entire systems for Yuffie, Cid, Cait Sith, Vincent and to finish Red XIII, which would take just as long to do as it did for Cloud, Barret, Tifa and Aerith once they had decided on the combat direction. The 7R team are also really slow, as is the KH3 team, especially compared to Lumionus Production/the FFXV devs who made much higher quality content in much shorter time, so I don't see FF7R Part 2 taking any less than 3 years to make, same for whatever the next console KH game is.

So the way I see it for 2021 what big game could they release from their Japan studios? Yoshi-P's project has been in early development since at least 2015 following Heavensward, and entered full scale development in 2019, by 2021 that's around 6 years of development which is plenty for a AAA game, the Luminous team also has started creating Project Athia's actual content in 2019 after they had done initial planning and setting the foundation for it in 2018, so that too could hit within the next 2 years given that FFXV only took 3 years and 4 months to make from scratch on Luminous Engine, while they were still making the engine at that. Whatever new console KH game is coming sounds even less further in development than FF7R Part 2 does, and KH3 itself already took 5 years to make on UE4, and FF7R took 6 years to make on UE4, both of which had heavy pre production matieral already created thanks to prior games too.

So I think FFXVI will be revealed before Holiday 2020, and could very well come out in 2021 or early 2022 hitting the 2021FY assuming it is actually progressed far enough in development, otherwise what other SE Japan AAA game does SE have?
So 2021 either FFXVI/Yoshi-P's project releases, or Project Athia does
2022, again either XVI/Yoshi-P's project or Project Athia
2023 FF7R Part 2
2024 next KH console game.
DQXII can slip in somewhere between those years too.
 
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Ikkin

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So it sounds like the rumours of FFXVI being at the PS5 reveal event were false afterall, many games media people like Imran Khan formerly of GameInformer, Jason Schreier and ZhugeEx/Daniel Ahmad have said that XVI was not ever meant to be shown to begin with. Imran Khan even said every rumour he heard about "XVI" is actually what was shown for Project Athia, which isn't XVI let alone a Final Fantasy.
What I want to know is... how the heck does this happen, when LumiPro has been swearing up and down that their next project is a new IP? XD Were their sources leaking little details -- like actors and writers -- while holding back the studio working on the project? And if not... how did the sources convince the insiders that the public info on LumiPro's project was untrue?

It seems like people without inside info have been piecing together the most likely scenario based on public statements and job announcements for years, while people with inside info were confused. So bizarre.
 

Bazztek

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What I want to know is... how the heck does this happen, when LumiPro has been swearing up and down that their next project is a new IP? XD Were their sources leaking little details -- like actors and writers -- while holding back the studio working on the project? And if not... how did the sources convince the insiders that the public info on LumiPro's project was untrue?

It seems like people without inside info have been piecing together the most likely scenario based on public statements and job announcements for years, while people with inside info were confused. So bizarre.
My guess is people were just told that a new "fantasy game by the FFXV devs" was coming and just some descriptions about it like there's a girl using magic and there's a dragon and some dog monsters, and some of the writers and actors involved or something, I hardly ever see the gaming media cover anything Luminous posts on their site like the various dev interviews they do or anything that isn't a trailer or tech video shown at an event, so a lot of them probably aren't even aware that the entire point of the studio is to make new IP's and probably just assumed it was FFXVI. I've already lost count how many times I've seen people say "i bet project athia will become FFXVI in 10 years hahaha" or similar sentiments, it just seems like the wider gaming community isn't aware of why Luminous Productions even exists to begin with.

I don't know how else "insiders" could assume Project Athia was FFXVI knowing it was coming from Luminous Productions if not just out of ignorance, the only other explanation is they didn't know Lumionus/FFXV team were making it and were just told a new Square Enix fantasy game that looks big budget or something was gonna be shown, and then assumed it was XVI.
 

Ikkin

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My guess is people were just told that a new "fantasy game by the FFXV devs" was coming and just some descriptions about it like there's a girl using magic and there's a dragon and some dog monsters, and some of the writers and actors involved or something, I hardly ever see the gaming media cover anything Luminous posts on their site like the various dev interviews they do or anything that isn't a trailer or tech video shown at an event, so a lot of them probably aren't even aware that the entire point of the studio is to make new IP's and probably just assumed it was FFXVI. I've already lost count how many times I've seen people say "i bet project athia will become FFXVI in 10 years hahaha" or similar sentiments, it just seems like the wider gaming community isn't aware of why Luminous Productions even exists to begin with.
I feel like the "i bet project athia will become FFXVI in 10 years hahaha" sentiment is based on a different sort of misconception -- it's not so much that the people who say it don't get the point of LumiPro, but rather that they're so committed to the idea that FFXV's development was ten years of constant disaster that they've saddled LumiPro with that game's entire history. Versus XIII was never meant to be a mainline FF but became one anyway in the course of its lengthy development, so of course Project Athia will turn into a FF game after a decade of development.

The "insiders," on the other hand, likely know that LumiPro is a very productive team and saw them as a solid choice for another FF because of it.

I don't know how else "insiders" could assume Project Athia was FFXVI knowing it was coming from Luminous Productions if not just out of ignorance, the only other explanation is they didn't know Lumionus/FFXV team were making it and were just told a new Square Enix fantasy game that looks big budget or something was gonna be shown, and then assumed it was XVI.
If they were told about a big budget Squenix game without being told who was making it, I wonder if there might have been a "planned leak" element to it. A new IP like Project Athia could very well benefit from FF fans hearing rumors that FFXVI could make an appearance... especially since Project Athia itself isn't much further outside of FF's wheelhouse than FFXV itself.
 
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The 7R team are also really slow, as is the KH3 team, especially compared to Lumionus Production/the FFXV devs who made much higher quality content in much shorter time, so I don't see FF7R Part 2 taking any less than 3 years to make, same for whatever the next console KH game is.
Most of your post makes sense, but I highly disagree with that statement. How do we know that Project Athia releasing next year or after? Project Athia hasn't even have the official name yet, so we're years ahead of release. Listen, I'm pretty sure Project Athia will be a great game without a doubt, but I don't see that the project coming in 3 years. We may never know tbh.
 
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Ikkin

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Most of your post makes sense, but I highly disagree with that statement. How do we know that Project Athia releasing next year or after? Project Athia hasn't even have the official name yet, so we're years ahead of release. Listen, I'm pretty sure Project Athia will be a great game without a doubt, but I don't see that the project coming in 3 years. We may never know tbh.
Wasn't Octopath Traveler announced as "Project Octopath Traveler" a year and a half before release?

I'm inclined to judge Project Athia on the footage shown rather than the title... and what was shown was roughly on par with the FFXV showings from 2014 (albeit running on PS5 dev kits rather than development PCs!).

As such, it seems reasonable to estimate that Project Athia is likely a Holiday 2022- Spring 2023 game.
 

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Wasn't Octopath Traveler announced as "Project Octopath Traveler" a year and a half before release?

I'm inclined to judge Project Athia on the footage shown rather than the title... and what was shown was roughly on par with the FFXV showings from 2014 (albeit running on PS5 dev kits rather than development PCs!).

As such, it seems reasonable to estimate that Project Athia is likely a Holiday 2022- Spring 2023 game.
Project Octopath was not a big budget game, yes it took a year and a half for it to complete. I'm not expecting Project Athia to be completed in 10 years, that's too unrealistic (Unless they change the engine which I doubt it will happen) Holiday 2022 is pretty appropriate estimate, but 2024 is more realistic estimate in my opinion. Like I said, we may never know, predicting release dates for Square Enix game are pretty much unpredictable. Heck, we thought FFVIIR might be a next-gen game, yes Project Athia announced first but that doesn't mean that it will be released first and I'll say it again we may never know.
 
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Bazztek

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So SE just stated this in a Q&A session during a stockholders meeting held on June 24th.
Question: Normally, you would announce new games at E3, but how has coronavirus affected your plans this year?
Answer: We would normally announce new games at E3, yes. We had planned to have a press conference as a replacement event, but were unable to do so since assets were not complete. We’ll be announcing new titles individually as the timing permits. Several will debut around July to August.
https://www.gematsu.com/2020/06/squ...games-meant-for-e3-2020-around-july-to-august
http://blog.livedoor.jp/majo2/archives/52117280.html

Most of your post makes sense, but I highly disagree with that statement. How do we know that Project Athia releasing next year or after? Project Athia hasn't even have the official name yet, so we're years ahead of release. Listen, I'm pretty sure Project Athia will be a great game without a doubt, but I don't see that the project coming in 3 years. We may never know tbh.
I don't think having a name or not is indicative of anything, Nier Automata was announced without a final title yet, so was Octopath, even if both of those are lower budget games than what Project Athia is that doesn't really mean they can be made faster or not, take for example Persona 5, much lower budget compared to SE's AAA RPGs yet it still took 5 years for them to make.
Nier Automata's reveal trailer also didn't even show any gameplay, just some concept art for most of it with text, and then 10 seconds at the end of 2B landing on the ground, standing up and looking at the camera. In comparison we've seen gameplay footage for Project Athia in the reveal.

Given Athia has already been in development for 2 years right now, it could very well slide into 2021 or 2022, as a reminder in comparison the FFXV stuff we saw in 2013 was created in the span of 1 year from July 2012 to June 2013, they then essentially restarted all the asset creation from scratch as they started to migrate to Lumionus in July 2013 and the game came out 3 years later while they were making the engine alongside the game, from the point XV started from scratch on Luminous in July 2013 til it released in November 2016 it had been 3 years and 4 months, 2021-2022 for Athia is already 3-4 years of dev time which is about as much as FFXV earnestly got, so I think that a 2021-2022 launch for Project Athia is still pretty realistic to assume.

It's now been 3 years since XV released with the engine being even more polished since then, and Athia wouldn't have the same drawbacks than XV had in having to restart asset creation from scratch because of a generational shift, it's also not even know how big Athia will actually be, whether it's FFXV style massive or smaller more closer to Nier Automata's scale and more segmented areas. Given how efficient the Luminous team were on XV and have been since its very possible it could launch in either FY2021 (start of April 2021 - end of March 2022) or FY2022 (start of April 2021 - end of March 2023).

I wonder if there might have been a "planned leak" element to it.
I dunno, doesn't really feel like a planned leak kinda situation, like Imran Khan said people likely just got their wires crossed.
Btw the same link above saying they have announcements planned for July-August also had another question asking about stealth marketing and they answered saying they don't think stealth marketing is is a form of advertisement they wanna do nor have they received reports of it being implemented in anything they're doing, I think a "planned leak" would fall into what is considered "stealth marketing".
 

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The info was verified by ResetEra mods. Looks like FFXVI is time exclusive on PS5.

This is the first (second, if you count Athia) in a series of very big Sony x Square Enix collaborations.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/co...ion-editions-of-avengers.261042/post-41499528

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Yeah, Navtra was talking about FFXVI, he made a prediction post before the PlayStation june event.

- Ratchet & Clank launch title
- LBP spin off
- GT7
- Horizon 2 2021
- Spiderman 2 teaser
- Demon's Souls Remake
- Avengers exclusive DLC
- FFXVI
- SE New IP
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pl...-gaming-ot-v-has-come-to.223783/post-36499441
 

Cloud_CR

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More about the time exclusivity of FFXVI on PS5.

lol yeah. XVI is real. It was supposed to get announced in June's event. It's supposedly closer than most people would think. It has some kind of PS5 exclusivity (it was vague back then but it seems to be full timed exclusivity now). And I have no idea why they haven't announced it yet.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pl...1-got-woke-records-broke.241384/post-41505735
 
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Bazztek

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If FFXVI does have some kind of PS5 timed exclusivity it doesn't really come as surprising to me because FF7R also had PlayStation timed exclusivity and Project Athia is PS5 timed console exclusive too. The most recent released and the most recent revealed AAA Square Enix JP games both have PlayStation timed console exclusivity so it seems like that's something they'll be doing going forward into 9th gen for their AAA games, and maybe even some of their mid tier and smaller games too.