[SPOILERS] KINGSGLAIVE: FINAL FANTASY XV - Discussion Thread

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BladeRunner

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Ravus sucks. If his role is anything more than some weasel who keeps trying to act like the big bad but ends up being a red herring, I will be legitimately disappointed. His motivations are fucking stupid. General Glouca being Drautos was also pure ass nonsense. My biggest hope is that this movie is basically all the shit that was going to be in VS before a much better writer tool over the project. I'm sorry Nomura fans, but that's the only explanation here. That both characters basically cut and stuffed into this movie because they sucked.
*chuckles* No it's not. Deep inside you know what it really means.
 

DrBretto

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#82
*chuckles* No it's not. Deep inside you know what it really means.
Implying that the whole thing sucks? Nah, there's plenty of good everywhere else. Ardyn was great. Iedolas was better than I expected. I'm digging all of the other characters, at least the ones in the game. It's just Ravus that sucks, really.
 

NemesisSP

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I've watched a good bit of it. Nyx is cool and I think he got the short end of the stick, because I think he probably deserved his own game.

Luna.... is just not that interesting. Maybe once I finish the full movie and rewatch it I'll reconsider it, but... yeah, she's just boring right now.

EDIT: Also, wow, Crowe died before doing anything useful, yeah totally didn't see that coming. Way to go movie, you really are pushing the envelope there by stuffing one of the only major female characters in the fridge.
 
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SonOfEtro

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How the hell can someone be the general of one active, conquering army, AND the leader of the goddamn King's guard of the opposing nation. It makes absolutely no goddamn sense, lol.
I seem to remember real-life cases of high-ranking agents and army personnel being involved with both sides in wars, holding important positions on both sides of a conflict while working for only one side's agenda.

Glauca was probably planted, or volunteered, or was suborned as a double agent to turn the Kingsglaive, preying on the resentment they would feel when Regis conceded to the Empire's terms for peace. To be honest, we only see Glauca at a point prior when we don't know Drautos was part of the Kingsglaive or when Regis would know his location (opening flashback), or in situations where Drautos/Glauca was actively working from the inside for the Empire. To me, his dual role makes perfect sense and would be manageable.
 

ChingleeTribal

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Loved the party scene. Brilliant inclusion of Somnus and a nice little nod to Final Fantasy Vaporeware XIII.

I also like the hint of foreshadowing by Ardyn as he looks through the wine glass at Luna and Nyx.
 
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Tornak

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Just watched it.

As a movie? Mostly mediocre/middling in terms of voice acting (a few good ones, but that's about it), sound mixing, editing (what's with the transitions?), directing (much of the action is relatively hard to follow) and some dialogue here and there. The pacing wasn't the best thing ever either. It's far from being as bad as many people are making this out to be, though. It's actually very enjoyable, even though I personally got kinda bored in some parts and thought it was a bit streeched out (despite being relatively short).

As a product for the game? Pretty nice, I'd say. I mean, most things that happen here we could have guessed: I'm talking about lore and the general plot. But that's not a bad thing, as it's a very good set up for the game. Funny thing though: the thing that made me most excited to play the game was the post-credits scene! I really liked how it tied directly into the beginning of the game.

In terms of visual design it is gorgeous. I would have said that I would have liked the main characters of the game to be closer to these ones, BUT after seeing Chapter 0 (and especially Noct), I won't, as they look great there, and it's actually very cool how the uniforms and some design things are tied. I still miss the more Yakuza-ish inspired Insomnia, but the whole palace scenes were beautiful, and so were the characters inside and their designs. I've really grown into Regis' new looks (while still sad about the previous one, which was flawless). Luna looked very weird in this movie sometimes. I liked the design of the main Kingsglaive for the most part as well (and the Palace guards make a return! I liked the kinda douchy and xenophobic character by the end, too).

Luna was pretty weak as a character: didn't do much, to be honest, so hopefully in the game that's different (and I think it'll be, as I like the very little we've seen of her dialogue with Levi). And Ravus... well, his motivations are pretty shitty. But the design is great; so, so good. And his general background and idea is also good and has potential, so hopefully he'll be better in the game. Ardyn was cool enough, although I prefer what we've seen of him in the game. Really liked his last comment (about how the whole destruction of Insomnia/DW was such a mess): he suddenly loses his snobbish tone and get as bleaker one. I also enjoyed how unhinged he was during the whole movie, not really giving a shit.

I'm mostly interested about Iedolas, though. I know he's most likely on borrowed time, looking to be the President Shinra/Queen Brahne of this game, but I hope they dwell on why he's such a fucking douche lol. Also, when did the war actually start? Before KG, I though that Lucis and the Empire were in some kind of cold war and not in a full-fledged one.

Ah, Tenebrae (the very little that's shown) is GORGEOUS. Really like its vibe, so hopefully the game captures it in its final build. And the "new" setting for the party scene is incredible, as well. I know it's beating a dead horse, but it still pains me quite a bit sometimes!

So yeah, the movie is very far from being a good one, but if you're interested in the world, you should like it alright, or at least appreciate the extra information/lore that you get from it. Can't fucking wait for the game :cactuar:
 
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AtSwimTwoBirds

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#89
I have to reiterate again that I did enjoy myself, but I can't get past Ravus and Glouca right now.

Glouca should have just been a sentient suit of armor. It makes no fucking sense that Drautos was Glouca. How the hell can someone be the general of one active, conquering army, AND the leader of the goddamn King's guard of the opposing nation. It makes absolutely no goddamn sense, lol.

And Ravus... I'm so glad he has like 45 seconds of screen time, but I want to go find the guy that played him and punch him in the face.
Neither Ravus nor Glauca harbour a strong allegiance to Nifelheim or Lucis.

Ravus hates both Regis and the Empire. When he picks up the ring, he states that he was forced to serve the Empire. Glauca swings for him, as his usurping of the Ring is clearly a hostile act - contrary to Nifelheim plans. If he would have been granted the power of the Lucii he would have killed both Regis and Glauca.



Glauca too states that Niflheim or Lucis do not matter to him, he just wants to save his home.

He states:

"For the pride of my home -I fought and killed for a King I loathe and he still betrayed me." (Or close to that)

The betrayal he is referring to is Regis not saving his homeland - "I don't blame them for taking what was freely given. I blame the man who gave it."

Drautos' home was clearly a Lucian territory beyond Insomnia. When Nifelheim invaded he fought for Lucis - but as no help arrived and Regis hid behind his wall - he felt betrayed.

The Empire has promised his home will be free after the war. He says that Niflheim or Lucis don't matter to him - It's his home he cares about.

This clearly happened well before the events in Tenebrae. He made a deal with the Empire.

Him being an agent behind the wall is the best use for him. The wall is the major problem, they're winning the conventional war comfortably.
As the Kingsglaive is made of refugees - he's perfectly placed. This plan would have took years to pay off - but without it the wall may never have fallen.


Reid's insularity is a cause of major resentment. He hid behind his wall and left those outside it to the fate of Nifelheim. I can understand why people are upset. He's supposed to be the King - their protector. He's the only one strong enough to stop the Empire but he doesn't help. It seems like he is cowering, more concerned with his own son's safety.

There's clearly a reason why he must keep Noct safe. But, without knowing this, Regis can appear cowardly and selfish.
 

DrBretto

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If you're talking about the map in the back, I think you'll have better luck with a direct screen shot, lol.

Whole you're at it, though, just popped because i noticed another Easter egg. In the room where Regis dies, the paintings in the back are from the Duscae artwork. The one with all the summons and stuff. I forget what it's called, lol
 

AtSwimTwoBirds

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#92
If you're talking about the map in the back, I think you'll have better luck with a direct screen shot, lol.

Whole you're at it, though, just popped because i noticed another Easter egg. In the room where Regis dies, the paintings in the back are from the Duscae artwork. The one with all the summons and stuff. I forget what it's called, lol
I mentioned it in my 'Ask My Abs Anything.' Spectacular!!

It's called Genesis. The painting this time didn't have all the monsters and summons.

Speaking of Easter Eggs: saw the Bank of Spira.
There were tablets called Libratablet - a nod to the ability.
 
#94
Hi guys, loooooong time no see... I was anxious to talk with someone about the film so I decided to come back...

First of all I think it's honest do agree with the reviews that says that Kingsglaive is not a great movie - for a general audience... But it's a great "Extended CG Opening" for Final Fantasy XV. I think the film has a lot of problems in the pace,edit and construction of most of the action scenes but in other hand I can't see how they could fit all of this conflict inside the game without Noctis taking part - changing the "road trip feeling" they wanted to the game.

I dind't liked the rooftop scene though... I don't know... I felt it a little embarrassing... Every fan of the "Versus XIII" love that scene with Noct and Stella... It was a very important moment in the plot and now It's played by Luna (who some fans hate her because her "stole" Stella place) and Nyx who obviously is not Noctis... And the scene is not important as previously... The Etro painting is there but has no meaning, it's just decorative. I think it was a mistake to put this scene in the movie.



I had high expectations to that scene of the signing of the peace agreement too... But in the end it was just a gun fight when the robots were dropped in the room. I was expecting an epic fight with magic versus guns but Regis created just a shield and meh... I was a bit disappointed because the Versus XIII version looked soo badass...



But the movie has its pro's too. I really enjoyed the Glaives and Nyx is a really good character that could easily be the protagonist of a Final Fantasy game. I could put a lot of a money in a table if Tabata ask it for making a Glaive's DLC for the main game covering the years they served King Regis. The sad part was Crowe abrupt death... What a waste of such a promising character... I was really frustrated by the way she died and how short was her participation in the movie.

I really enjoyed how Nyx teleport with his daggers, they could made warp in the game work like that... Aim anywhere, throw the weapon and appear there instead of looking for specific "warp points" like in the game... This could be used to create a new mechanic in the game, like warping to the air then going down with a strike and etc... But I remember Tabata said they had such a hard time making the warp works, maybe they tried that idea and failed.

About the antagonist's I really liked Ardyn who is such an interesting character. Iedolas was great too, much more than I was expecting him to be. The deception was Ravus with such stupid motivations - hope they fix this in game and I'm a little bit unsure about Glauca... I don't know... I hated his armor design and the motivations are not that great too... I think they lost the opportunity to develop a great antagonist just to have a cliche plot twist. The only good thing is that now that they already used this idea I don't think they will use it again and make Cor Leone a traitor like some people was speculating.

To finish, one last sad thing is there is no mention to Nomura in the credits... They have special thanks even to AFROJACK but not Nomura... Kinda strange.
 
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NemesisSP

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Honestly, while I do love the scene with Noctis and Stella, especially now that we've seen them have more interaction than adult Noctis and Luna, I don't hate the rooftop scene. But I do think it is an absolute waste as well. I think they put it in as a "treat" for Versus XIII fans, but didn't really that it wasn't the Etro painting or party scene itself that people were interested in.
 

SonOfEtro

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To finish, one last sad thing is there is no mention to Nomura in the credits... They have special thanks even to AFROJACK but not Nomura... Kinda strange.
Kingsglaive came, I think, after Nomura was reassigned. I'm sure Nomura will be given a very special mention in the main credits of the game.
 

NemesisSP

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Kingsglaive came, I think, after Nomura was reassigned. I'm sure Nomura will be given a very special mention in the main credits of the game.
One would hope so. It's actually been a very bad sign that Nomura hasn't even been mentioned once for his involvement with the game. I don't recall them mentioning him at all at the Uncovered: Final Fantasy XV event.
 

Nye

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Finished yet yesterday but needed some time for it to sink in and my impression is:

As a stand-alone movie? It doesn't work, it was definitely something that should have been in game so the impact of the whole invasion would sink deeper than the newspaper scene. I liked it as a concept, the whole invasion was very well done and I enjoyed the action sequence. I am still confused about certain things like where was Luna's power as an Oracle and why she wasn't able to do the same things that she was doing against Leviathan. I don't think she was a disappointing character, I liked her for the most part and she does seem like an emotionally strong character.

Nyx and Regis were so great and I enjoyed their scenes a lot, I am sorta hoping we'd see Nyx in game somehow it would such a waste for his character not to be explored further in. He was almost much more interesting that Noctis as a protagonist tbh.

Ravus sucks, I hope I can kick his ass in game, I hate him so much and I am kinda disappointed they made him such an obnoxious little lap-dog.

Ardyn is a cunning bastard and I like it.
 

NemesisSP

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Finished yet yesterday but needed some time for it to sink in and my impression is:

As a stand-alone movie? It doesn't work, it was definitely something that should have been in game so the impact of the whole invasion would sink deeper than the newspaper scene. I liked it as a concept, the whole invasion was very well done and I enjoyed the action sequence. I am still confused about certain things like where was Luna's power as an Oracle and why she wasn't able to do the same things that she was doing against Leviathan. I don't think she was a disappointing character, I liked her for the most part and she does seem like an emotionally strong character.

Nyx and Regis were so great and I enjoyed their scenes a lot, I am sorta hoping we'd see Nyx in game somehow it would such a waste for his character not to be explored further in. He was almost much more interesting that Noctis as a protagonist tbh.

Ravus sucks, I hope I can kick his ass in game, I hate him so much and I am kinda disappointed they made him such an obnoxious little lap-dog.

Ardyn is a cunning bastard and I like it.
Luna didn't have any magic. It was explicitly said so. And as for emotionally strong, that only goes so far when you can't even defend yourself and your deciding that the best decision is to jump out of an airship with no guarantee that you'll make it.
 

Tornak

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The rooftop scene is actually alright (and visually great), but I understand what some people are coming from, as I feel the same (the setting, however, is miles better).

Similar thing happens during the standoff. But that's about all we can truly compare, as we don't really know much about Versus and we only ever got to see the beginning parts of the game (this is where I feel direct comparisons are fair, because, at least in the standoff scene, they're the same scenes).
 
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